User talk:RandomAir BGM

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Amandelen (talk) 19:53, September 21, 2018 (UTC)

Hello,

Just here to give a quick update. Your translation has been checked and put back (with some minor revisions). Thank you for your patience! Amandelen (talk) 08:08, September 22, 2018 (UTC)

Hikari Shoumeiron
I had a quick look at the translation and I can see some issues (although a lot of it seems OK).

Inflections like 掴め, 食いしばれ, 変えろ and 進め are commands (grammatically we often say "imperatives"). So for example, 雲間の光掴め is a command, "grasp the light coming between the clouds". Make sure you have a full grasp of all verb conjugations before you translate!!

A common mistake is to break long phrases into shorter ones (I've done it too). For example, the last two lines 青い青いこの晴天に / 願い一つ届くように form a single sentence, "May [my] one wish reach this blue, blue sky".

There are several other small but significant mistakes in the translation. E.g.

涙したって means 涙しても = "even if [you] shed tears".

最後に = "finally", "in the end"

赤い赤いこの証明が 痛い痛いほど流れ = "this crimson proof flows so much it hurts"

戦乱をいざ進め = "keep this war going"

I haven't checked all of it, but these are some of the issues. I hope this helps you improve. Practicing does help you improve, as well as ongoing study of Japanese grammar and vocabulary. If you like, you can submit proposed song translations in blog posts. ElectricRaichu (talk) 00:56, September 29, 2018 (UTC)

Your Translations
Hi, this is Damesuke. I checked and corrected your contributions. I can see you study Japanese hard and do your best making translations. However there are not a few mistakes in your translations and romaji transliterations. Mostly misreading of omitted subjects, and misreading of direct and indirect objects. You know, translating other people's words brings responsibilities. A translator is not someone with some knowlege about launguages. He/She should rather be a bilingual person who speaks both the source and target languages fluently. Don't take me wrong. You still have a way to go on Japanese. I suggest you learn more, and I'm waiting for your coming back as a skilled translator. Thank you for the reading. Damesukekun (talk) 12:54, October 7, 2018 (UTC)

RandomAir BGM (talk)Response (RandomAir BGM):

Thank you for your message. I will keep studying Japanese as hard as I can and improve my Romaji transliteration. I realized they do seem a bit funny. I get confused with the "nda", "shi", "ndesu", "tte", "suki", "ai", "ndakara", "no", "tto", "wo/o", "teru" and many other direct objects, conjuctions, and imperative formed prefixes/suffixes. But the question isn't "Why am I doing them wrong?" . The question is "How do I get them right?" . Do you have any advice for me?
 * んだ is a contraction of のだ and is added to the end of a sentence to show that you are explaining something or, in a question, asking for an explanation. Everyone transliterates it differently. I've seen したんだ written as shita n da, shita nda, shitan da, shitanda. The problem is that Japanese don't put spaces between their words so that's impossible to know what is considered a word or what is a phrase. I suspect that the majority of Japanese speakers themselves don't even know. (My guess is that shita nda is the correct one but don't quote me.)
 * し is added to the end of each clause to make a list of clauses that expound some situation that the speaker has faced. Sometimes there's only one clause but they still put し to give the feeling that there could be more to it.
 * んです is a politer way of saying んだ.
 * って tte is a quotation particle. It can be used the same way as と or as a contraction of something like と言って (or と思って if it's not spoken aloud). I always write both と and って as separate words, just like any other particle.
 * If you mean 好き, i'ts a な adjective. What is the problem specifically? Any examples that you find difficult?
 * By ai do you mean 愛・会い・合い・相・藍 lol? What is the problem specifically? Any examples?
 * んだから is んだ followed by the word から. から kara follows a clause to show that what happened is the cause of something else, either what is stated immediately next, or what was stated before, or something understood from context. NB から has many other uses. Note だから dakara at the beginning of a sentence is a compound word meaning "Therefore".
 * の no is a bunch of different words that sound completely the same. It can confusing and (in rare cases) ambiguous but I think you get used to it with lots of practice. Any specific examples you have trouble with?
 * っと I've never heard of this. What's the sentence?
 * を follows the object of a verb (basically a case-marking particle). It is most commonly pronounced o. In a few songs you will hear it pronounced wo but it makes no difference to the meaning. If in doubt, just write o as a separate word.
 * -てる・-でる are contractions of -ている・-でいる. E.g., している shite iru→してる shiteru, 急いでいる→急いでる. Just transliterate it as -teru/-deru. Note that いる is an inflected verb in its own right, so similarly していた shite ita contracts to してた shiteta, etc.
 * Everything else ... you need to study Japanese grammar, e.g., try working through the material here. You can look up plenty of example sentences with English translations here.


 * Hope this helps. (I hope I haven't made any mistakes ...) ElectricRaichu (talk) 22:00, October 9, 2018 (UTC)
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 * 1) I always think words like "くれたんだ ( kuretan da") is actually "(kureta nda"). I sometimes have issues with "Bakari / ばかり" too, and I always think that -ja and -na go together with "Bakari" like this: "Bakarija, bakarina". Thanks for appealing me with the "nda" though <3
 * 2) I knew that already. I just have issues on whether I have to separate "shi" from some words like "Shitetanda >> Shi teta nda" .  And for "shitete", I think it is "shi tete".
 * 3) I mean in like " Sukina ndesu" and "Erai ndesu ka?"
 * 4) I understand.
 * 5) I am confused and I stick "Suki" with everything, like "Daisukidayo / 大好きだよ", "Sukida yo / 好きだよ", "Sukinamono / 好きなもの", "Sukina koto / 好きなこと".
 * 6) I am confused with using the "愛" and "会い", and stick them with everything: "Aishiteyo / 愛してよ", "Aishiteruyo / 愛してるよ", "Aisareru / 愛される", and "Kiminiaitai yo / 君に会いたいよ".
 * 7) Let's take a sentence: " Kitto doko ni ite mo tsunagatte iru ndakara / きっとどこにいても繋がって要りンだから ". Is this what you mean?
 * 8) "Kiminokoe hitotsu de konna ni mo kawareru tte ?" . Help??
 * 9) "Motto / モット?" " Chotto / 一寸? "
 * 10) I understand. Instead of wo, I always write "o" instead.
 * 11) I understand.
 * 12) Thanks for the websites. Anyway, should I write "また明日 " in Roman letters as "Mataashita?" And what does "手タ / teta" mean, and serve for in terms of grammar?

OK, let's go through some of those issues one at a time ...

Some of the questions you're asking are reasonable, but many are basic ones about grammar that you need to have under your belt before you can even go about transliterating Japanese. I recommend you study Japanese for a while. As you learn something, go back over lyrics you've looked at in the past and see if you can see examples of what you're learning, and maybe see if you can correct mistakes you made. If you have any more questions, feel free to ask. ElectricRaichu (talk) 04:08, October 11, 2018 (UTC)
 * 1) くれたんだ is くれた plus んだ. Like I said, everyone transliterates it differently, so write it kureta nda if you like. (We need to get to the bottom of this from a Japanese grammarian or lexicographer, but unfortunately I don't know anyone.) ばかり is a word in its own right. Why do you want to join it with anything? E.g., 今終えたばかりだ Ima oeta bakari da; 建前ばかりじゃない tatemae bakari ja nai.
 * 2) In してた, してた shiteta is a contraction of していた shite ita, where して is an irregular inflection of する and いた is an inflection of いる. し is part of a word. It is not a separate word. You need to get a solid grasp of Japanese grammar!
 * 3) 好きなんです suki na ndesu is a politer or more formal way of saying 好きなんだ suki na nda. The only change is replacing da with desu. It means the same thing but you're just speaking deferentially.
 * 4) 好き is an example of a class of words with adjectival meaning, i.e., they describe a quality of something. They can be used as predicates, e.g., 猫が好き neko ga suki, "cats are likeable"="I like cats", but can be used in adjectival clauses using な, e.g., 好きな猫 suki na neko, "the cat which I like", or in past tense using だった, e.g., 好きだった猫 suki datta  neko, "the cat which I liked". There is no reason to join the adjective suki with the verb na. They are two separate words. 好きだよ suki da yo is using 好き as a predicate, but expressing emphasis or insistence, e.g., 好き suki, "I like/love it"; 好きだよ suki da yo, "I really do love it!" 大好き daisuki is another adjective that behaves like 好き but the meaning is more intense, "greatly like", "love a lot".
 * 5) 愛 ai is a noun meaning "love". There is a compound word 愛する aisuru (from 愛 + する) which is a verb meaning "to love". 愛する inflects irregularly like する does, e.g., 愛した aishita "loved", 愛される aisareru "be loved". 会う au is an unrelated verb. It means "to meet" and its inflections include 会い ai (e.g., 会いに行く ai ni iku "go to see someone"), 会いたい aitai, "want to meet/see [someone]", 会った atta, "met", etc. Understanding this comes directly from knowing the vocabulary and the grammar! If you don't know this, then you'll have a hard time trying to work with Japanese at any level.
 * 6) どこにいても繋がっているんだから doko ni ite mo tsunagatte iru nda kara "Wherever you are (or I am), we are connected, so [something follows]". から kara is a separate word that shows that something follows from what comes before. For example, consider "Hang in there. 'Cause you know I'll be thinking of you." The English word "'Cause" is at the beginning of the clause would have exactly the same function as から at the end an equivalent Japanese clause.
 * 7) By "kiminokoe" I think you mean 君の声 kimi no koe, "your voice". の no is most commonly a particle that tells you, e.g., in a phrase A no B, that A describes B or is related to or owns B in some way. In this case, 君 "you" owns 声 "voice", so it means "the voice which you own", i.e., "your voice". 最後の日 saigo no hi, "the final day" means that 日 "day" is described as 最後 "final", so "the day that's final", i.e., "the final day". To be asking questions that are this basic means that you don't have enough grasp of Japanese grammar to be able to undertake the task of transliterating! NB の has several other meanings but ask me again after you've mastered enough grammar to be able to understand them.
 * 8) っと is not a word on its own right. ちょっと chotto, もっと motto, ずっと zutto, are adverbs. I haven't studied their etymology (although it might be quite interesting to find out how these words came about), but they might very possibly be combinations with the particle と. However, as far as transliteration goes, treat them as a single word. If in doubt, consult a dictionary. There are several online dictionaries. Probably the easiest to use are weblio and goo. Sanseido and Obunsha publish really good paper dictionaries too if you can get your hands on one somehow.
 * 9) また明日  mata ashita is an expression with two words, mata "again" ashita "tomorrow". In English we would say "See you tomorrow". 手タ does not mean anything.
 * 1) また明日  mata ashita is an expression with two words, mata "again" ashita "tomorrow". In English we would say "See you tomorrow". 手タ does not mean anything.
 * 1) また明日  mata ashita is an expression with two words, mata "again" ashita "tomorrow". In English we would say "See you tomorrow". 手タ does not mean anything.
 * 1) また明日  mata ashita is an expression with two words, mata "again" ashita "tomorrow". In English we would say "See you tomorrow". 手タ does not mean anything.

My (late) Response:

(But wait, then what does "えらいんですか? / Erai ndesu ka?" mean?
 * 1) 1. I've just noticed "bakari" only is subject to "-na" and "-ja" in sentences like "違うのに君のことばかりなんだ / Chigau no ni kimi no koto bakarina nda." It's a word on its right in sentences "嫌いってばかりじゃつまんあい / Kirai tte bakari ja tsumannai" where the verb is first.
 * 2) 2. That was stupid of me. I should've known "shi" is not supposed to be separated from its words like "shiteta". I guess I should have learned more transliteration than translations. Thanks.
 * 3) 3. I always thought "んです" was pretty much the same as "です" . I was wrong. Thanks for the lesson. :D
 * 1) 4. I always knew that "って" should be a separate particle.
 * 2) 5. 好き is not just a な adjective. It is also a だ adjective in short sentences like "好きだよ / Sukida yo" and a です adjective in sentences like "私はリンゴが好きです / Watashi wa ringo ga sukidesu". Just saying.
 * 3) 6. The only problem I had with these words was transliteration issues. The rest I understood.
 * 4) 7. I am grateful for that. I was wrong thinking "dakara" and "ndakara" meant the same thing. Sheesh...
 * 5) 8. What the? I learned that months ago. Of course it is so basic. I mean that I wanted the English translation for that sentence .... Or to make it clear: 君の毛一つでこんあも変われるって
 * 6) 9. Thank you for the explanation.
 * 7) 10. Noted.
 * 8) 11. I will include "-teru" together with every word than.
 * 9) 12. I think 手タ does mean something. For example I have heard in lots of Vocaloid songs, so let me take a sentence from another song "きっと捜してた未来が流れ混む / Kitto sagashi teta mirai ga nagare komu." Translate it and please tell me what does "てた" serve for.

Sorry for the late response. Responding takes me a lot of time and I am in high school so I hope this doesn't affect the speed of your responses.

Don't worry about the late response. This is a hobby, so relax and do it when you can! In answer to your latest questions... Also, please get a good grasp of the Japanese language before you publish your translations on the main pages of the wiki, like study and practice for at least for another year. The questions you are asking are reasonable, but they're such basic and fundamental ones that it shows you don't have a good enough grasp of Japanese to be able to write accurate translations.
 * ばかり can work in a sentence in many, many different ways. You can look through these sample sentences to get some idea of how it's used.
 * I think the nuance of えらいんですか can vary with context. Maybe ask someone more knowledgeable, but it could mean something as different as
 * "Is it because they're well-respected?" or
 * "Who do you think you are!"
 * To say (1) 好き is a な adjective and (2) 好き is a だ adjective is saying exactly the same thing. Go study the grammar behind this class of words first and then ask if you can't understand something.
 * 手タ does not mean anything. Where did you get that from? That's like asking what does "hand evening" mean in English! Try looking it up in an online dictionary and you'll see nothing comes up!
 * 捜してた is a contraction of 捜していた sagashite ita. 捜す = "search", "will search". 捜していた = "am/is/are searching". 捜してた is a contraction, e.g., "I'm searching", "you're searching". This is basic grammar that you should have under your belt before you try understanding complex sentences like きっと捜してた未来が流れ混む.

However, I still encourage you to practice, because unless you do, you won't improve. There's a blog feature where you can publish your translations and ask for feedback. You can also join Anime Forum where you can ask for help in the Lyrics Discussion section.

Above all, be patient with yourself. It will take time, so don't expect perfect results instantly.

ElectricRaichu (talk) 22:45, October 25, 2018 (UTC)

My Response:


 * 1) 1. Thanks. I never had trouble understanding how ばかり can be used.


 * 1) 2. As far as I know, I think えらいんですか? means something like, "How is this?" or "How do you like this?" right?


 * 1) 3. How do you think 大好きだよ is transliterated? Just asking.


 * 1) 4+5. Contractions...contractions...contractions.... they are everywhere in Japanese.

Fine. I will take a decent amount of time to study more, learn more words, and basic stuff before I translate in the main pages. But I have remarks:

1. After I post my translations in my blog posts, can you please review them and tell me if they are accurate or not?

2. The day I'm confident enough that I know enough Japanese to translate, I will start replacing old translations with no warning.

RandomAir BGM (talk) 17:01, October 26, 2018 (UTC)At least I responded early this time.

Describing someone as えらい means that they are excelling or great or remarkable in what they do. In describing a situation, it means that it's extreme. Have you got yourself access to a dictionary that you can understand? You need one if you want to understand a foreign language (I even use a dictionary for English let alone Japanese). In a pinch, you can use jisho.org, but really it better to buy yourself one by an authoritative publisher.

大好きだよ is a sentence made up of the following words. The first word is the adjective 大好き daisuki "greatly liked, loved". The next word is だ da which, while not everybody uses it like that, gives the preceding noun/noun clause/na-adjective an assertive tone. The final word is よ yo which gives the sentence an emphatic tone, kind of like "I really want you to know this". I'll let you figure it out from that.

Contractions are common across different languages including English: I'm, they're, you'd, haven't, can't, he'll ... You're just so used to them you don't notice them. With practice, they'll become second nature in Japanese too.

Sure I'll be happy to review your translations as I have time available. If it helps you to improve, it's worth the effort. Just put a message on my talk page with a link to the blog post.

No, please do not replace translations without warning. Saying that comes across as arrogant (hopefully you didn't intend to sound like that, but it does). Other people need to judge your skills, not yourself. For the forseeable future, please first post an explanation why your translation is better, e.g., point to irreperable mistakes in the existing translation, or things you've worded in a better way, or how your translation is more faithful to the original Japanese, etc. One day, when you're sufficiently knowledeable and experienced, and you've earned others' respect by demonstrating qualities like trustworthiness, skill and humility, then you can do whatever you think is best. And like I said before, be patient with yourself. It's great to see you set yourself high goals, but be prepared to take the time and effort you need to get there!

By the way, how are you studying Japanese? What resources are you using?

ElectricRaichu (talk) 00:43, October 27, 2018 (UTC)

Response by RandomAir BGM:

No, I do not have a dictionary by my side. I guess I am going to have to get one. And I still am a little confused with how "ndesu" is used.

I also have complained about contractions in English. Spanish was my first language (I am of Cuban descent), and it is totally free from such contractions, so just understand I am not used to them. I have been studying English at school for 8 years, and of course I got better with it.

Start with my "KiLLER LADY" by Gumi, translation. I will post it in your talk later.

Sorry for being that way. It is just so frustrating that I have only Saturday and Sunday to post videos. I want to find a way to promote my (neutral) translations in a faster way. Forgive me for bugging too much.

I have a few more questions:

本当は / Hontouha meaning? I know it means "In reality / actually", but what is its full purpose.

よろしければ / Yoroshikereba meaning?

ほんとの気持ち / Hontonokimochi purpose?

大事な / Daijina meaning?

微笑む / Hohoemu meaning?

言わなきゃ / Iwanakya meaning?

RandomAir BGM (talk) 01:43, October 27, 2018 (UTC)

So Spanish doesn't have contractions? I didn't know that. Actually my first language was Greek and it doesn't have many either. You're doing well with English then! Now your questions ...

本当は Hontoo as a noun means "truth, actuality" (dictionary). は wa as you should know by now is a topic marking particle. Together, the phrase literally means something like "I'm going to talk about actuality". Yes, in English we might say, "Truth is ...", "Actually ..." It suppose it's purpose is to let the listener know that you're about to clarify something, or reveal something relevant that hasn't been stated yet, or admit your real thoughts or feelings.

よろしければ comes from the polite adjective よろしい "[is] good, all right" (dictionary). It's a conditional form ("if ..."), so it's a polite way of saying "if it is all right with you", "if you like", "if you don't mind" (examples). For example, when you said "I have a few more questions" above, the polite thing to do is to first say よろしければ.

ほんとの気持ち honto no kimochi is three words: ほんと honto is a casual way of saying 本当 hontoo. の has a variety of usages, but here it makes ほんと an adjective, so ほんとの means "true, actual". 気持ち kimochi means "feeling(s)" (dictionary). So altogether it means "true feelings", "what you really feel".

Look up the meaning of 大事 here. Look up how な is used here. And 微笑む. I don't mind helping you but you need to learn to do what you can by yourself!

For 言わなきゃ iwanakya, you need a good grasp of grammar. It's a contraction of 言わなければ iwanakereba. First study (1) how Japanese verbs work, (2) how to negate verbs, and (3) how conditionals work, and then ask me if you still have questions. Actually, it can sometimes be a contraction of the longer phrase 言わなければならない, so (4) you'll need to look that up too.

ElectricRaichu (talk) 03:16, October 27, 2018 (UTC)

Oh, I am absolutely sorry for forgetting to tell you my resources. Well I use (https://www.duolingo.com/), most of all, (https://www.linguee.com/), (https://www.thejapanesepage.com/) , and (https://www.japanesepod101.com/) to learn new words, ways to write sentences, pronunciation etcetera...etcetera...

Thanks for the dictionary. I have just learned all the words you told me.

I am sorry If I am pestering you, but can you translate these few sentences and tell me what they mean:

起算木偶僕たちの針を戻せるのなら

手をのばしても届かなくて霞んでゆく

きっと空の飛び方何て誰も教えてくれなかったよ

Don't think I'm using you as a guide. Damasukekun doesn't help people learn, Amandelen doesn't know a lot of Japanese. So I'm out of options here. RandomAir BGM (talk) 14:00, October 27, 2018 (UTC)

Duolingo looks interesting. Keep it up, but please also work through the grammar section of guidetojapanese.org as it covers a lot of material that you need to understand to be fluent. 101 have a lot of good material that I learned a lot from when they were publishing some of their podcasts for free. Now you have to pay for most of it, but if you can afford it, it's very worthwhile. In answer to your question, I suffer from CFS, OSA and insomnia ... so with all three together I'm often wrecked.

起算木偶僕たちの針を戻せるのなら is not a complete sentence, but let's piece together the words that are there: Now when faced with a sentence like this, you need to identify these parts of speech and figure out their relationship. Usually start with the verb, in this case 戻せる. What do the other words tell us? Well what comes before を is what is being put back, namely 針. The の before the 針 tells us that it's talking about not just any random 針, but specifically our 針. So putting it together, 僕たちの針を戻せる means "able to put back our needle" (maybe refering to the hands of a clock?).
 * 起算 kisan means reckoning from a point of time (examples). Sorry I can't understand what it means here.
 * 木偶 deku literally is wooden doll or puppet, or figuratively someone useless or stupid.
 * You can look up 僕たち, の and 針 yourself.
 * を marks the object of a verb, usually what something or someone is doing something to.
 * You can look up 戻す. 戻せる is what's called the potential form of 戻す and means "is able to 戻す".
 * [something] のなら basically means "if it is the case that [something]".

What about the other words? The ending is easy once you know what [の]なら means. It changes the meaning to "if it is the case that [you or someone] is able to put back our needle".

The begining is a bit harder. 木偶 is a noun, and so is 僕たち. What are the possibilities for understanding two nouns, one straight after the other? One possibility is that the first one describes the second (e.g. 電話 is telephone, 番号 is number, so 電話番号means "number relating to telephone", i.e., phone number). Another possibility is apposition, where one noun identifies the other, i.e., not just tells you something about it, but actually says who/what it is. Here I think it's apposition: "we" and the "blockheads" are the same people.

That leaves 起算 which I have no idea how it fits.

OK, now let's move onto 手をのばしても届かなくて霞んでゆく. Start with pulling it apart: You can look up what those words mean individually.
 * 手
 * を
 * のばして - て inflection of のばす
 * も
 * 届かなくて - て inflection of とどかない which is negative of とどく
 * 霞んで - て inflection of かすむ
 * ゆく - same as いく

Now how do the parts fit together? It's a bit more complex because there are three main verbs, so the sentence is made up of three clauses. Since て-form of verb followed by も is a conditional construction, も belongs to the first clause. ゆく is being used as an auxiliary verb, i.e., it changes the tense of the main verb, so 霞んでゆく needs to be understood as a single phrase. So our clauses are: So we've worked out the clauses and what they mean individually. How do they relate to each other? So altogether, "even if you reach out your hand", then what will go wrong? "You won't reach what your aiming for", plus, or as a result, "it will go on getting hazier".
 * 手をのばしても: を relates 手 to the verb のばす, i.e., it's the object of the verb, what someone is nobasu-ing. So it's referring to someone reaching out with their hand.
 * 届かなくて: It's a single verb, but it's negative, so it means "does/will not reach".
 * 霞んでゆく: It's かすむ but it's tense is changed by the te+ゆく construction so it means it will "go on getting blurry/hazy as time goes on".
 * In the first clause, the て inflection followed by も makes it a conditional with the sense that it's not enough for something to happen, "even if you reach out your hand" [then something won't go as expected].
 * The second clause ends in just て, so it means that what this clause describes will be supplemented or followed by what the next clauses says.

I have to go out now so that's all I can do for now. How about you have a go at the third one and tell me what you think. Identify the words one by one, figure out what the main verb is, and relate the bits to the verb. Things you need to know are how くれる works and what 飛び方 means. ElectricRaichu (talk) 02:10, October 30, 2018 (UTC)

For a moment, I thought you were sick. I had suffered from such illnesses in the past you don't ever wish to experience. I almost died on St. Lurie's Children's Research Hospital in Chicago because of an unknown disease I had, the doctors couldn't find about. The fevers I had gone through were insane (104 F - 107 F). I had lasted a total of 19 days with that illness at home, and got cured 2 days after being in that hospital, miraculously. I also once got a sudden flu exactly on my 14th birthday.....stuff happens to us.

Now for the translation.

きっと空の飛び方何て誰も教えてくれなかったよ

(Kitto soranotobikata nante dare mo oshiete kurenakatta yo)

きっと = For sure, I'm sure, surely.

空の飛び方 = How to fly through the sky??

誰も = Nobody, no one.

教えて = To show you how to do something, to teach??

くれなかった = ?

よ = (particle) talking to you, etc.. It's everywhere you know.

So summing things up I think the full translation is:

I'm sure flying through the sky is a topic nobody would want to teach me.

Thanks for the translations and summing up. By the way, how are you feeling? Where have you been resting?

By the way, if you can, explain what this verse in "キララ" by CHiCO with HoneyWorks means:

真っすぐに花は咲き　空を目指し迷わない

Don't forget to check my "KiLLER LADY" translation if you have time.RandomAir BGM (talk) 23:14, October 30, 2018 (UTC)

Sorry to hear you were so sick that time. We can be grateful for modern medicine. In earlier centuries, you probably would have died. I'm feeling better today, but everything varies a lot from day to day.

Great, you figured out most of the words. The main point you didn't explain is what's called parsing the sentence, working out its structure. Since the object marker を is replaced by 何て, it makes it a little harder since you have to work out from the meaning of the words that 空の飛び方 is what is being taught/explained. 誰も is the one who is (not) teaching.

The only word you didn't get was くれる which is why I gave you that link. It usually means "[you/he/she] gives [to me]". It can also mean "[he/she] gives [to you]". (NB It can't mean "I give you/him/her" or "you give him/her". You need to use あげる for those.) Now you to need memorize verb inflections in Japanese. Since you're a Spanish speaker, you should be familiar with verbs changing for various reasons. In Japanese, verbs get changed for reasons that are mostly different to Spanish ones, but if you work through how to negate verbs and past tense, you should be able to figure out that 教えてくれなかった means "did not give me [the act of] teaching" (or possibly "didn't give you ...").

The key to understanding 真っすぐに花は咲き　空を目指し迷わない is as usual to identify the clauses, i.e., the main verbs and the words related to them. In this case they're 咲く, 目指す and 迷う. The inflection of the first two is what's sometimes called the "masu stem". It can be used to combine clauses into a sentence, sort of like joining them with "and" or with ";" in English. 真っすぐに means "straight", i.e., not bending or changing direction and probably applies to the first two clauses. は tells us that 花 is the topic of the sentence, i.e., "I'm going to tell you about flowers now". を tells us that 空 is the target of the 目指すing. So you break it up like this:


 * 真っすぐに花は咲き -- as for flowers -- in a straight direction -- they bloom -- and


 * 空を目指し -- aim -- for the sky -- and


 * 迷わない -- do not lose their way

I'll get onto your translation when you stop asking questions that take me a long time to explain so I have time to get to it ... However, I hope it's worth me going into these details instead of just translating these sentences for you so you learn how to do it yourself. After all, that's your aim, right? ElectricRaichu (talk) 00:59, October 31, 2018 (UTC)

I took penicillins, Tylenol, Motrin... It didn't work at all. Like I said, I was cured miraculously, by myself, my own body.

In quick response to your responses: Thanks for the remark. I missed "Kureru". And thanks for the translation of the verse. Have you heard that song too?

I currently have no questions left. All I have to say is thank you, and I await improvement in the future. And sorry for confusing you with "えらいんですか?" I actually wanted the meaning of "偉いんですか?" I also didn't want the meaning of "手タ". I wanted the meaning of "てた". Kanji and Hiragana are more different then I'd imagine. I am very, very sorry for the confusion.RandomAir BGM (talk) 02:15, October 31, 2018 (UTC)

There is no difference between えらい and 偉い. What I said before about えらい applies equally to 偉い. The only difference is how you write the word, not the meaning of the word. In English, I can write 4, four, FOUR, IV, iv or (4) and they mean the same thing. Similarly in Japanese you can write a word in multiple ways, e.g. akai "red" can be written  赤い, 朱い, あかい or アカイ and it means the same thing.

However, kana and kanji are not interchangeable as you have discovered. I tried to find something on the internet for you that explains the complicated Japanese writing system but I couldn't find anything easily, so I'll outline the basics.

Japanese has three broad classes of words: native words, Chinese borrowings and borrowings from other languages (just like English speakers use Spanish words like fiesta or macho). This is a brief outline and Japanese writing is much more complicated than this. If I come across any websites that describe it better, I'll let you know. ElectricRaichu (talk) 08:11, October 31, 2018 (UTC)
 * Native Japanese words.
 * As you know, you can write a word phonetically using kana, and many words are written that way, e.g., です. However, when a kanji exists with the same meaning, they often substitute it. E.g., いぬ "dog" can be written using the kanji 犬. When you come across 犬 as a word by itself, you pronounce it as if you wrote it いぬ and it means "dog".
 * With inflected words, you use the kanji for part of the word and write hiragana for the rest of it. So みる "see" is written 見る. When it changes to past tense, for example, you write みた as 見た. 見 represents the mi- part and the hiragana is used for the bit that changes, -ru, -ta, etc.
 * Unfortunately they go overboard with this and one kanji can be used for multiple words. E.g., 空 can be そら or から, 空く can be あく or すく, 空しい is むなしい. You have to work out from context which one it is.
 * Similarly, the same word can be written with different kanji, e.g., kiku "hear/listen/ask" can be written 聞く, 聴く or 訊く. Sometimes the meaning is slightly different depending how you write it, e.g., 聞く can mean "hear", "listen" or "ask", but (I think) 聴く only means "listen" and 訊く only means "ask".
 * Words adopted from Chinese.
 * These are obviously written in kanji, e.g., 本 hon "book", 空間 kuukan "space".
 * Most kanji have both a Japanese pronunciation and a Chinese-based one, so you need to work out from context which one it is, e.g., in 空を飛ぶ, 空 must be sora, but in 空間を開ける "make space", 空 must be kuu.
 * Words taken from other languages. These are usually written in katakana (but there are exceptions). E.g., アップルパイ "apple pie" (from English), パン "bread" (from Portugese).

I didn't know Japanese had a lot of adopted words. And was confused to whether Kanji, Hiragana, and Katakana were the same thing or not. Next time I have a question, I will ask. Thanks for everything. I will also learn what I can by myself. RandomAir BGM (talk) 12:03, October 31, 2018 (UTC)

Last questions: I still need a proper clarification of how "ndesu" is used. It can't mean "nda" in sentences like "君の中の私はなんですか？ / Kimi no naka no watashi wa na ndesu ka?" and as for "君じゃなきゃダメなんです / Kimijanakya damena ndesu"

What does "ndaro" mean?

(Example: この傷跡は消せないんだろ？)

If "tto" isn't a word on its own right, then what does it mean in this sentence:

(えーっと、聞こえてますよ / Ee tto kikoetemasu yo)

What does "nja / んじゃ" mean?

What does "moyamoya / もやもや" mean?

After these questions, I mean it. I won't probably have any more questions until December or so. Then you could finally check my blog afterwards, that is, if you feel alright. RandomAir BGM (talk) 20:50, November 1, 2018 (UTC)

Japanese has several levels of politeness in speech. When talking to your friends and family, you speak in casual Japanese. When to strangers, seniors, or in business, you use polite speech. When talking to customers or people in a position of greater authority, you use honorific speech. Adding んです is polite speech. Instead, adding んだ is casual speech. I suppose you could add のでございます or something like that for honorific speech but I'm only guessing, it's beyond my expertise.

君の中の私はなんですか has nothing to do with んだ/んです. The question なんですか nan desu ka means "what is [it]"? In this sentence, なん is the word for "what" and is unrelated to んです. It can be confusing because なんですか can also be na ndesu ka, where な is a special word that means "[which] is", but that must follow a noun or na-adjective. In this sentence, there is nothing between XXXは and なんです so I would interpret it as なん "what" + ですか (polite) "is it?" Compare these: 君じゃなきゃダメなんです. So here there is a na-adjective ダメ before the な so な means "is". It's dame na "[it] is no good" + ndesu, not nan "what" + desu. In this sentence, んです is the polite way to say んだ (I have no idea why you think it's not ...). It means "I'm explaining to you that it has to be you."
 * 私なんですか Watashi na ndesu ka? "Are you saying it's me?" (e.g., "Do you think I'm to blame?") The noun 私 is followed by な so な means "is".
 * 私はなんですか Watashi wa nan desu ka? "What am I?" 私は makes a self-contained phrase, so there is no noun etc. before な so it must be なん "what".

んだろ is a contraction of んだろう and an inflection of んだ. Just like だ is an insistent way of saying "is", だろう means "might be" or "could be". んだ is a contraction of のだ, literally "it is a fact that ...", "it is the case that ...", and is used to point out that I'm explaining something. Similarly, んだろう mens "it might be that ...", suggesting a possible explanation. (At least as far as I understand. I haven't heard it that often so I could be wrong ...)

えーっと eetto means "let me see ...", or just "um ...", "ah ..." when you're thinking about what to say. Probably it originates from と, the quotation marker, but it's just something people say to let you know they're thinking about what to say or how to answer you.

んじゃ is complicated to explain and its meaning depends on context. It could be んだ in stereotypical speech of an elderly person, or a contraction of のでは, or part of んじゃない, the negative of んだ.

I'm not very familiar with もやもや. もや means "haze" so it must come from that. One dictionary lists several meanings including "being hazy", "being gloomy" [in your emotions], "feeling fuzzy" [in your head] and "ill feeling". But make sure you understand the way the word is used grammatically in a sentence as this can affect the interpretation: Also check out this dictionary.
 * verb もやもやする "be hazy", "be gloomy"
 * adverb もやもやと "hazily"
 * adjective もやもやした "hazy", "gloomy"
 * noun もやもや "ill feeling" (like being dissatisfied, suspicious, etc. -- NB this meaning is different from the others)

Please make sure you look up words in a dictionary before you trouble others about them. I only explained this one in detail for you because it's a little complicated so you might not catch the differences due to what part of speech it is (verb, noun, etc.). Make sure you make an effort to check online resources first, such as weblio, kotobank, jisho.org and alc. If you look around, you might be able to find some Spanish resources as well. ElectricRaichu (talk) 01:45, November 2, 2018 (UTC)

I wouldn't have asked these questions if I would have found them online, but I typed "ndaro", "nja", and "moyamoya" and nothing came up, and these words do mean something. However thanks for the point. "君の中の私はなんですか ?" was a tricky sentence, as like you said, is possible to change the "watashi wa nan desu ka?" to "watashi wa na ndesu ka?" Thanks for all these answers, and we'll talk again after my blog is reviewed. See you until then ! :D RandomAir BGM (talk) 15:40, November 2, 2018 (UTC)

Yes I appreciate that you'd have trouble with those, which is why I explained them. However, ndaro[u] and nja derive from nda, so a dictionary will only list the base form, nda. That's why you need to get a solid grasp of grammar, so that when you see ndaro, you immediately realise that it's an inflection of nda. Strange you didn't find moyamoya. I'm sure it's in all the dictionaries I linked to above. Anyway, feel free to ask anything, but do your best to figure it out first.

My point is that watashi wa na ndesu ka would be grammatically incorrect which is why the other interpretation is what you'd assume. Unlike other verbs that can form a clause on their own, the verb na must be preceded by a noun or a word that behaves like a noun to form a valid clause. But yes, if you're looking at words individually, since Japanese don't put spaces between their words (insert nasty comment about frustration here), there's more than one way to break it up, and you need consider what constraints grammar, meaning and context (in that order) apply to the sentence to figure out which is most likely.

I found this verb chart that you might find helpful. You need to memorize it! As an exercise to help you learn it, pick your favourite songs, find the verbs, and use the chart to work out how each verb was inflected. For example, in KILLER LADY, you can work out that 付き合い is the conjunctive form of 付き合う, and きれない is the negative of きれる. ElectricRaichu (talk) 04:08, November 3, 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the chart, answers, advice, and everything. It is really touching to see how hard you are trying to help me with Japanese. Studying it is much harder than I have ever expected,  and it is bold to see how you are helping me as if it was nothing. Was studying Japanese easy for you? Or do your languages have similar structure to Japanese that make it easier to learn? How come Indonesians and Thailandians learn Japanese so easily? RandomAir BGM (talk) 21:44, November 3, 2018 (UTC)

No, Greek is closer to Spanish than to Japanese. (Actually there are a few Greek words that have made their way via English into Japanese, and some Japanese sounds are more similar to Greek ones than English ones, but that's all pretty minor.) Maybe growing up bilingual helped me realize that there are different ways to express an idea/act/feeling, so learning a third language was adding one more. But, no, learning a new language is not easy, especially one so radically different from European languages and with a ridiculous writing system. I wrote this short post about 10 years ago. However, most Japanese verbs are regular, there aren't so many sounds, and sentence syntax is much simpler (basically particles usually follow what they refer to, the verb comes at the end of a clause, and modfier clauses simply precede what they apply to).

I don't mind helping out. In fact I enjoy teaching. I work part time as a high-school tutor (mostly maths, but I've done a bit of science and computing too). I'd like to teach Japanese, but there's not much demand for it. ElectricRaichu (talk) 22:31, November 3, 2018 (UTC)

Well, saying that, do you know any Spanish? How do you know it's close to Greek? By the way, I don't know any Greek, just in case you are wondering.

The real reason I am trying to learn Japanese is because I feel like their media is better than the media around me, and also, I wish to go to Japan one day, for tests, and to see if I fit with them. By the way, English isn't an easy language to learn. I have learned it for 9 years, and still have issues with its weird structure, and lack of verbs, even  now, I doubt Spanish is hard to learn. What do you think about Latin media? Do you think that Spanish is difficult? It contains a lot of Japanese particles that mean something totally different like "yo", and "no", which are complete  words in Spanish. Of course, Spanish and English share absolutely nothing (unlike German and French). As far as I know, Spanish and Japanese share almost nothing either, but have similar accent, and do have a few grammar rules in common. But if someone wants to learn Spanish, I suggest them to learn the Castillian pure version of Spanish and not the spoiled, re-worded trash of Mexican Spanish.

However, I am very proud of how the beginner that I am, and I know a decent portion of Japanese. I mean, I can read full Vocaloid and Japanese song titles, read a few of the lyrics, and sing-along. My goal is to know the Japanese I need to know without taking too many years. I will never give up. Now, tomorrow you could finally check my blog, I will have another translation on Monday posted. That's 2. RandomAir BGM (talk) 03:02, November 4, 2018 (UTC)

Spanish and Greek are similar in many ways because Greek and Latin are similar and Spanish comes from Latin. They may be only a small overlap in vocabulary, but the syntax and grammar would resemble each other a lot more than they do Japanese. Yes English grammar is different again, in fact, I would call English grammar quite complicated. But since both English and Spanish draw a lot of vocabulary from Latin, I imagine there would be many words that are similar.

Anyway, I finished reviewing your translation of the Hachiouji-P's song. There are some lines I think you've translated well, but there are some mistakes too, so please have a look.

As for Spanish songs, we'll see what Amandelen says, but since you're a native Spanish speaker and relatively fluent with English too, I think translating Spanish songs would be great contribution you could make. Actually I was about to suggest it myself. Please don't forget to identify yourself as translator at the bottom (I used to forget to do it too) so other people know where the translation came from.

If you want to improve at translating, you need to expand your vocabulary of both source and target languages. That means you need to read lots of good quality literature in both Spanish and English (and Japanese since you're learning that too).

ElectricRaichu (talk) 01:20, November 9, 2018 (UTC)

Up to now, all my translations will have mistakes. Be it little or many, until I become fluent in that language. I have another blog by the way. Anyway, are you listening to any new Japanese (not Vocaloid) music? If so, then which artists?

RandomAir BGM (talk) 04:45, November 9, 2018 (UTC)

New section
I'm starting a new section because the old one got too long to be useful.

It looks like Amandelen is happy with you translating Spanish songs. That would be a great help if you could!

Yes I noticed your new blog. I'll get to it when I have the chance. If I haven't started in a few days, then feel free to leave a reminder on my talk page.

It's only natural that when you're starting, your translations won't be perfect. Every skill in life is a process of learning, and making mistakes and learning from them is part of the process. With translation, it's important to understand the vocabulary, grammar and idioms of both source and target languages, and these will take time to acquire. That's why I said earlier to be patient with yourself.

Like I said earlier today, a good way to develop your translation skills is to read widely good quality material in all three languages. Gradually, over time, you'll pick up new words and meanings, new expressions and idioms, and a better understanding of how grammar works. And don't assume you know Spanish as well as you think you do! There's always opportunity for deeper understanding of your native language.

Here are some simple Japanese stories that you might like to try. It will give you an appreciation for the kind of language used in narrative, which differs a bit from conversational Japanese. Song lyrics draw from both styles, so the more you're familiar with, the better you understand.

ElectricRaichu (talk) 09:24, November 9, 2018 (UTC)

I am grateful for the stories, but I don't know so much Japanese to read them all. I just know basic words, and particles and grammar. I'm learning it. Tomorrow and in Sunday, I am excited to post a couple of videos with new translations! And again, are you listening to any new Japanese music? If so, what artists? (Vocaloid not included)

RandomAir BGM (talk) 23:30, November 9, 2018 (UTC)

I'm not saying to read them all. Pick one that seems interesting and work through it. Look up the words you don't know and try to figure out the story. At first, it's very difficult, but as your vocabulary develops, it becomes easier.

New Japanese music? Only randomly and occasionally. My favourite vocalists are ShounenT, 96neko, Kobasolo, Amatsuki, Ito Kashitaro (there's more but I can't remember them all), and I listen to HoneyWorks songs too. Was it you that mentioned Megumi? I started listening to her too, she sounds good!

BTW I'm working on Mister Darling now since I like the song and you requested a sub, so I might not get to your blog until that's finished. But I don't get some bits ... I might need help ...

ElectricRaichu (talk) 00:12, November 10, 2018 (UTC)

That's what I'm trying to do. But I'm saying that some structure is tough to know. But like you said, with time of practice, I indeed think I will prosper with those stories. They look cute. It is also adorable that a teen as old as me has too read those first-grader books like those. No, really, I am good with that.

Yes it was me. Megumi Nakajima is a very good singer. I've known some beautiful songs, like her "Odyssey", "Watashi No Sekai", and "Saturday Night Question". I don't have so many too have a favorite, but my constantly listened artists are indeed her, Aimer, Nogizaka46, Mrs. Green Apple, HoneyWorks, and Little Glee Monster.

I never liked the Vocaloid versions that much to be honest. I am completely fine with the original version by CHiCO. If you are having trouble with some parts, a machine translator could come in handy (for words, not sentences). At least I use it when I have trouble with little parts, but for single words ONLY. They are not good at translating full sentences, as Japanese (and other Asian Languages) contain a very tricky structure that may confuse the translator, causing a poor result. Again, I do that for tiny words, and it's useful. What do you say?

RandomAir BGM (talk) 01:52, November 10, 2018 (UTC)

Ha, ha, yes it feals a bit demeaning to me too having to learn from children's stories but I've learned so much Japanese from material directed to children. I've also read children's novels and manga in Japanese. I especially enjoyed Kusaka Hidenori's Pokemon Special manga series, but I found some parts very difficult to understand. When I started, I had to look up every second word in the dictionary and there was so much confusing slang. But bit by bit, I found it worthwhile and over the years it markedly improved my Japanese.

Yeah I usually prefer Sana's or Chico's vocals too. Vocaloids can be difficult to get to sound good and a lot depends on the skill of the person doing the tuning. Like I can't stand it when some producers get them singing so fast that they exceed their abilities, but strangely enough, some of those songs are very popular.

With automatic translators, the real problem is the information that different languages require you to present. What I mean is that in any language, you have to answer certain questions in order to phrase something, but each language asks different questions.

For example, in Greek and Italian (and I expect Spanish too), you often have to indicate gender, e.g., you can't say simply "it is red", you must choose one of "some masculine thing is red", "some feminine thing is red" or "some neuter thing is red". So it's impossible to ensure that an isolated sentence "It is red" will be correctly translated from English to Greek/Spanish/Italian/etc. In Japanese  you have to choose one of "Is red", "Is politely red" or "Is honorably red" depending on who is talking to whom and their relationship and the degree of deference required. That information is simply not there in the English sentence so it is impossible to guarantee that it's translated correctly.

Having said that, I use google translate on rare occasions if I'm really stuck because sometimes there's something in their database that is difficult to find in a dictionary. However, I don't rely on it. I always try to find an alternative source to back up what it says.

ElectricRaichu (talk) 02:31, November 10, 2018 (UTC)

I translated the original version of Mr. Darling: https://youtu.be/mVfxaKSFoWs It probably won't serve as a perfect translation, but you'd get what the song is about.

Okay, my parents this Christmas (in US, it is November 10) are going to buy me Rosetta Stone for Japanese. That way, I think I will accelerate the way I am trying to memorize grammar, words, and other stuff. With that like Damesukekun [], I will achieve more skills of the Japanese grammar framework. (Not all of it of course). By the way, I am getting a little better at those stories, yet I still need to research many times to grasp what's going on.

Even though that's true, I find some Vocaloid songs very catchy, and beautiful. I don't even have a favorite one, as almost all of the ones I hear are good. It's hard to believe, I know.

I don't rely a lot on Google Translate either. I use Bing Translator more, because I've done long-sentence tests with them, and surprisingly, Bing Translator does less mistakes. It's words are not so vague when they translate too. But it's still unrecommended to use as a song translator. I can thank that translator too. I've learned several words with it.

You can expect to indicate gender in Spanish too, but there are quite a moderate amount of exceptions. Let me give you an example. If I say "La camisa de el es rojo / His shirt is red", and turn it into an interrogative sentence, "Es roja su camisa? / Is his shirt red?" you should respond (be it polite or casual) as "Lo es / It is." , without even mentioning the noun, subject, adjective or gender.

Here is another example. If I tell someone, "Esa gata blanca es muy graciosa / That white female cat is very cute", and someone is talking to me about her, I don't have to mention "her". I can relevantly say, "Es muy graciosa / It's very cute", and anyone would instantly notice I am talking about the cat. No gender needed.

Just the verb and adjective. I can give you clearer or more specific examples, but unfortunately, I don't have enough time. I'd to fall asleep in any moment.

The point is, Spanish is a very rich, organized, and clean language. It has thousands of types of casual speech, polite speech, and honorific speech. It is far more organized and rich then other languages like English and French who lack a lot of stuff compared to Spanish. If someone is a native English, German, or even Portuguese speaker, they are not going to have an easy time learning Spanish, even though their structures match in some instances, and even if the source languages have hundreds of adopted words. Any response?

RandomAir BGM (talk) 05:29, November 11, 2018 (UTC)

I think you've gone off on a tangent ... My point is that each language expresses certain information that other languages do not. This makes automatic translation impossible without sufficient context.

Your MIster Darling sub has several errors. Some lines are open to interpretation, but others are mistranslations. You should consider replacing it now that we have a reasonable translation. I've started working on my sub. I'll try to get it done for Nov 23. If I miss November, it might have to wait until Jan 11 since I have other videos already scheduled for dates in between. ElectricRaichu (talk) 00:39, November 13, 2018 (UTC)

It was irrelevant wasn't it? Well actually, that was the point if we are talking about gender included in Spanish sentences. I mean, you can't compare to other languages, even if they have thousands of adopted words.

Any rough and quick translation would have several errors. I'm a early vgperson kind of subber. I usually like to have the first translations, which of course, does result in several mistakes. The song was pretty confusing too, not an easy type to sub. But Hikari Shoumeiron was harder. I could delete it and replace it if it wouldn't have so many views. However, I will take the chance of making edits in the annotations or subs. Also, for the 4th time, I'm a beginner. I started doing real complete subs since the "Twins -  Hatsune Miku", and "Okuri Uta - Hatsune Miku". The rest from the past were semi-translations with borrowed lines from other translations, like descentsubs, forgetfulsubs. They weren't reprints either. I guess with more time, I'll get better with even quick translations.

I'd appreciate it if you'd finish it by that time. But I really do not mind if you take until January with that video. It's your channel, your decisions. I don't have the rights to take command of your channel.

Edit: What errors did you find? List me a couple and explain me why they are wrong. (If you wish too)

I have questions about some other Japanese related stuff. But I'd best save them for later. What do you think?

RandomAir BGM (talk) 02:17, November 13, 2018 (UTC)

Probably easier for you to try comparing your translation with mine line by line and see what the differences are. If you don't understand why yours is different, then ask me about those lines. I'm happy to do it, but I'm busy right now and it might be a useful exercise for you.

When you upload a video with a mistranslation, then everyone who watches it is being misled. Being a beginner is not an excuse to mislead people. Would you like it if you read a book translated from another language that had mistakes just because the translator was a beginner? Even if you translate a line with your best guess, if it's a guess, it could be wrong.

A quick translation is one that is not polished, i.e., one that does not choose words eloquently and doesn't capture the poetic elements of the original (like metaphors, aliteration etc.). If doing it quickly means you can't check to make sure it's correct, then it's not a "quick translation", it's a mistranslation.

If you have any questions about Mister Darling, please ask them as soon as you can. If it turns out you've got something right and I'm wrong, I'd rather know before I upload the subs.

If you have any other questions about Japanese, feel free to ask. If I'm too busy, I'll just take longer to answer.

ElectricRaichu (talk) 04:20, November 13, 2018 (UTC)

You're absolutely right for the first one. I certainly do have some big mistakes.

I know, but it's just that it's too late. What will my subscribers think of me after I delete that video? They 'll think I'm weird, because in the past, I have deleted several mistranslations that had thousands of views and more than a hundred likes. You just weren't there to see it. You have a perfect translation now, and what are my options? (1) Delete that video and not upload it at all anymore, or (2) delete that video and re-upload it make edits using some of your lines. But... you have a point. I don't actually mind being mislead, but it's publicly rude. As a result, option 2 is what I should go for. So I made it unlisted. This Saturday I will re-upload it with your edits. Better for me to be safe than sorry later.

Unlike other videos. I wasn't in a hurry with this one. I actually had more than 1 hour to re-check due to the end of Daylight Savings Time. I wanted time to sub "Gimme Gimme Call" too, but I was distracted to finish it. And like I said before twice, I only have Saturday and Sunday to sub and post videos. No wonder I have to sub quickly. It's just that I don't want to have to wait another grueling week of studying to do my things. As a result, even if they are mistranslations, I don't consider them that.

Well, I don't have any questions specifically about Mr. Darling. It's funny you've asked the impossible. At this point, there's no way I would have something right and you wrong. Be careful with YouTube copyright claims though. They could misidentify the Miku version to be the CHiCO version. You have to appeal if that happens. I highly recommend it.


 * 1) 1. Why do the pronunciations sound cute?

I suddenly find myself to be giggling that sounds like "yo", "tte", "kirai", "dakara", "suki", "dakedo" and "shite" sound appealing to me. They are heard so frequently in songs that they've started to get very cute. And also adopted words like "Kisu shiin/Kiss scene ", "Komyunikeeshon / Communication". Even the word "kawaii" itself is cute! Is this weird or does it happen when learning a new language?


 * 1) 2. Did I find out the meaning of "Iwanakya"?

It means, "I gotta say / I have to tell you something". Does that mean that in "Just Be Friends?" . Or is there more to it?

I don't have enough time for more questions. I'll ask more tomorrow. Respond while you can. ^-^ No rushing.

RandomAir BGM (talk) 05:00, November 13, 2018 (UTC)

Don't stress too much. It's a hobby. Take your time and relax. School and other duties take priority.

Having said that, I hope I don't have to deal with a copyright claim, I once had to do that before and they said it would take a month to resolve.

Ha ha yes I find that words sound pleasing to me too. Wow, "kawaii" sounds kawaii to you? First time I've heard that!

Sometimes I wish words of one language would be used in another, like Japanese ちょっと would be perfect as an Italian word and Greek μακάρι would be great as a Japanese word and 無事 would be a good English word.

言わなきゃ is short for 言わなければ which literally means "If [I/someone] does not say". Ending a sentence, it implies that something bad will happen if you don't say whatever it is, so it ends up meaning that you have to say it. The full expression is 言わなければならない, but ならない is understood if it is left out.

ElectricRaichu (talk) 02:49, November 14, 2018 (UTC)

New section #2
It's time to start a new section, because I don't want the first too get too long. My talk page is going to be messy if I do.

So, now, I've never stressed that. I just want people to leave me alone on my time doing videos, and not bother me.

Who said anything about copyright claims? I have lots of experience of that. And no you don't have to wait 30 days for the appeal to win. The owner has 30 days to respond, before the claim expires. He/she can respond in a minute if they want. But be sure not to appeal when uploading original versions (by CHiCO) in your channel. The owner will have that video taken down by the next morning you wake up. Literally. It happened to me 4 times, and I saw it all after I woke up. If you're uploading a Vocaloid version (or cover), you can appeal, and you'll win. That happened to me with "Okuri Uta " and "Twins" by Hatsune Miku. I appealed and won. The owner will only take 1 - 3 days before on to release the claim on / take down the video.

They all are heard at such a constant rate, it gets stuck in a cute way in your head. I giggle so hard sometimes. Kawaii is cute to me because of the way it is written and its pronunciation. As well the other words and phrases I mentioned. You should understand. (Or not?)

I agree with that. They wouldn't lose themselves in another language, I bet.

So I was right? (With Iwanakya?)

What do they use those words so much? It can get funny. RandomAir BGM (talk) 04:23, November 14, 2018 (UTC)

So claims can be resolved quickly? I didn't know. When I challenged one once, YouTube said it can take up to 30 days. Thanks for telling me. I've finished the sub so I'll upload it when I get the chance in the next couple of days. We'll see what happens.

Oh, make sure you don't upload videos if you do not have either a license or permission from the producer! That's illegal, and inconsiderate as well, and you could end up getting your YouTube account closed.

Yes, 言わなきゃ (without an explicit conclusion following) means "[I] have to say [something]". I'm pretty sure that's what it means in Just Be Friends. You'll also sometimes hear 言わなくちゃ. Similarly 行かなきゃ or 行かなくちゃ means "[I] have to go".

ElectricRaichu (talk) 08:07, November 14, 2018 (UTC)

Well, yes, we can just see what happens, and talk about it.

They don't take down videos if you upload without permission. They take down videos if you throw their claims away without permission. I don't do that anymore. I just agree with the claim and move on. You should read more about DMCA takedown notices, and not confuse them with normal copyright claims. It's not illegal, if you are not making money out of it (which when it gets a claim, you can't) and sharing it with Japan. Your account gets terminated if you get 3 copyright takedown notices (not claims) on your channel. That's why I told you to read more before even thinking about rights. And by the way that happened several months ago. I have 0 now. It's cool.

Thanks for clearing it up. It is better off as "I gotta say". When I come across any Japanese grammar / word questions I'll ask again. :D

RandomAir BGM (talk) 13:59, November 14, 2018 (UTC)

Yes it is illegal to copy any music or video without the copyright owner's permission. What is happening with copyright claims is that YouTube have negotiated a system with copyright owners that gives uploaders permission to use their words in exchange for royalties from ads, and copyright owners can also place restrictions on where the video can be shown. What stops it being illegal is this negotiated system (which seems to work most of the time). Copyright owners, however, do not have to agree to YouTube's terms and apparently some of them do issue takedowns. (Since the system is not without its problems, I make sure I have some license to rely on or get explicit permission before I upload anything.)

Yes, "I gotta say" is very colloquial and matches the colloquial tone of 言わなきゃ. I would probably write "I've gotta say" to keep it grammatical. Some judgement is required to match the tone of the translation with that of the original lyrics.

ElectricRaichu (talk) 00:59, November 15, 2018 (UTC)

Well, I try to get permission, and they never respond. So what's the point? I can simply just upload and get a harmless claim that won't affect my account. If the copyright owner would really not want their content to be used in YouTube, then they would block videos with their content worldwide. Which if they don't do that, then they nicely agree with users to use their material, in exchange for putting their ads in those videos.

I've been waiting for this. I'll be making a HoneyWorks pop quiz for you! Would you like it this Friday or tomorrow? It'll be fun. (And alerting too.)

RandomAir BGM (talk) 02:18, November 15, 2018 (UTC)

The HoneyWorks went up OK, just blocked in Japan as you said. Hopefully I'll get time soon to look at your next blog.

Pop quiz? I can try it, but I probably won't score that well ...

ElectricRaichu (talk) 08:00, November 16, 2018 (UTC)

You like HoneyWorks, so you should do good enough. Great! But before you take it:

Do you transliterate 気づけば as "Kidzukeba"? And do you transliterate こっち and 一人ぼっち as "Kotchi" and "Hitoribotchi"?

Don't force yourself. Take this quiz only if you wish.

No cheating! Don't use lyric sites, videos, internet, or even this wiki to find answers! I wish for your best honest answers in this quiz.

If you are going to respond to this, please do so in this section, and not on the Pop Quiz section.

You have until Monday.

Ready? Scroll down to take it!

RandomAir BGM (talk) 02:23, November 17, 2018 (UTC)

HoneyWorks Pop Quiz
Would you mind moving the quiz to the forum, or maybe a blog? It's very long and not really a communication about the wiki, and gives everyone a chance to contribute if they wish. ElectricRaichu (talk) 09:19, November 17, 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip, and rule. It has been removed from here and moved to ([//vocaloidlyrics.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:RandomAir_BGM/HoneyWorks_Pop_Quiz https://vocaloidlyrics.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:RandomAir_BGM/HoneyWorks_Pop_Quiz]). Don't you feel like you forgot to respond to an earlier question?

Good luck with it!

RandomAir BGM (talk) 18:54, November 17, 2018 (UTC)