Talk:Amandelen/2016

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Category issues
I tried to create a category page for "ikapoid" since I just added the first song by that producer, but I accidentally named it Ikadpoid. Are you able to rename it or fix it somehow? I haven't created the redirect for it yet. Sorry to trouble you ...

BTW the song article guidelines don't say how you create a category page. Is this deliberate, or should I look somewhere else? (Admittedly, I didn't look very hard, since I just created the URL and it prompted me to create it. Unfortunately I mistyped the URL so it created the category with the wrong name and I didn't notice until after I saved it.)

Also, the song I added has two versions, the first one having two backing Vocaloid singers. I wasn't sure if the trios category applies to lead singers only or to backing singers also (in which case they are not always credited), so I left that category out.

PS happy new year!!

ElectricRaichu (talk) 07:31, January 6, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for adding information about adding categories. One thing that's missing is the steps in specifically creating a category page. For example, if I click on Contribute ▸ Add a Page and enter the title " songs list" as your description suggests, I bet it won't create a category page.

ElectricRaichu (talk) 05:22, January 9, 2016 (UTC)

Sorry it took me a while but I've expanded one of the sections to make it more step by step. Could you please check that you're happy with the new contents? The rest of the new content seems clear enough to me.

ElectricRaichu (talk) 22:25, January 13, 2016 (UTC)

Adding YouTube videos?
Hello!

My computer is finally starting to work again, so I was about to create a new page. Then I stopped because I wanted to ask this question first. When adding YouTube videos that aren't published by the original producer, is it considered a reprint or is it just not used on this wiki? I have no idea, and it's why I haven't added any YouTube videos yet. I'm wondering the same thing if the video has English subtitles added on.

Thanks in advance! Sorry that this is taking up space on your talk page.

Kotoritachi (talk) 02:20, January 17, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the links and the explanation! That helps a lot. It was just confusing with the reprints and the illegally uploaded videos that were mentioned here in the unrecommended reprinters section.

Kotoritachi (talk) 12:49, January 17, 2016 (UTC)

わたしのアール
An unnamed contributor added わたしのアール but didn't follow the guidelines. I fixed a couple of things but the page needs remaining to add the romaji title and there could be other issues. ElectricRaichu (talk) 08:48, January 20, 2016 (UTC)

Some page titles have macrons
Damesukekun pointed out that macrons in page titles make it harder to search for them. He made a redirect for one page so that it would be accessible under both spellings, but I was wondering if you could fix some others: Sorry for the inconvenience. ElectricRaichu (talk) 04:02, January 22, 2016 (UTC)
 * 陽炎 (Kagerō) → Kagerou
 * かげろう (Kagerō) → Kagerou
 * オオカミ少年の最後の嘘 (Ōkami Shōnen no Saigo no Uso) → NB Ookami, Shounen
 * 本当のおめでとう (Hontō no Omedetō) → Hontou, Omedetou
 * 終末メモリーズ (Shūmatsu Memories) → Shuumatsu

Perfect Seimei
Pefect Seimei's translation was a personal translation, not soundslikematsuda's. Thanks though.

Feel free to talk about it, it's your decision.

116.86.58.172 17:55, January 27, 2016 (UTC)

Re: Welcome
Thank you for the welcome ^^ And it was no trouble owo I'm glad I was able to update Primadonna with some cover art finally instead of having my old icon as the song image |'D

And also thanks a lot for creating pages for some of my songs, it means a lot to me that they got to be added in here ;w;

-User:Zansatsu

96.226.219.111
This user, who's been requesting lyrics on your forum thread, has also been contributing new pages but isn't using the correct template so the pages are hard to read with bad column widths and lines that don't line up. I asked them last week to follow the guidelines and referred them to you if they had any questions, but they just submitted another song with bad formatting. ElectricRaichu (talk) 09:14, January 29, 2016 (UTC)

About Using Other People's Translations
Anonymous contributors are posting other people's English translations without giving the source these days. They can't tell good and bad translations so not a few mistranslated lyrics are sneaking into this wiki. Could you update the guideline and tell them that they should give the source if they use other people's translations? Damesukekun (talk) 05:07, February 6, 2016 (UTC)

What about the following amendments to the wording? "When the  a translation is not credited, we cannot assess its accuracy. Thus the uncredited translations will are likely to be removed as it will be assumed that the translation is a mistranslated one ." ElectricRaichu (talk) 02:00, February 7, 2016 (UTC)

Re:SadisticPumpkin
oh, yes, sorry about the Space! I'll make sure to stop doing all that! Vocaloid 02 Kagamine Rin (talk) 18:32, February 8, 2016 (UTC)

Jacob's Ladder
When I tried to make a page for Jacob's Ladder by Maruouji-P, wikia automatically created a redirect to the other song with the same name. Since I made a disambiguation, do you think we should edit the redirect to go to the disambiguation page? ElectricRaichu (talk) 00:58, February 11, 2016 (UTC)

Thank you very much.Fme1704 (talk) 08:31, February 18, 2016 (UTC)fme1704Fme1704 (talk) 08:31, February 18, 2016 (UTC)

千本桜 (Senbonzakura)
An anonymous editor changed some of the lyrics last month. The changes can be seen here. I was considering undoing the revision so it stays true to animeyay's translation, but is it worth it for a relatively minor edit like this? Kotoritachi (talk) 17:46, February 19, 2016 (UTC)

Regarding 0(+1)...
I read your message regarding the translation/translator note for the 0(+1). I understand what you meant. The reason I put that there was because the song article guidelines said that translyrics were not viable translations. I didn't want the English lyrics to be removed because of that, so I put that translator note as an explanation. Thank you for fixing up the page and for your explanation. :) Shimazu Sumiko (talk) 20:35, February 21, 2016 (UTC)

心残り (Kokoro Nokori) and 水際の碧色 (Mizugiwa no Heki Shoku)
心残り is one word, kokoronokori, so I think the title of this song should be changed slightly to "心残り (Kokoronokori)". Also, I think it tends to mean "regret". One dictionary lists "reluctance" as a sense, but I can't find any examples of this usage. See: Kotobank Weblio ElectricRaichu (talk) 00:18, February 25, 2016 (UTC)

水際の碧色 (Mizugiwa no Heki Shoku) also needs fixing. Hekishoku is one word. ElectricRaichu (talk) 10:02, February 25, 2016 (UTC)
 * I corrected the mistakes. Damesukekun (talk) 11:14, February 25, 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks! ElectricRaichu (talk) 02:05, February 26, 2016 (UTC)

Niconicopedia broken links
There seem to be broken links to Nico Nico Pedia. I guess it must have changed the URL from dic.niconico.jp to dic.nicovideo.jp at some stage. I couldn't search for "dic.niconico" so I tried searching for just "Pedia" and of the first few that came up, most were broken.

Rather than spend hours of boring work finding and correcting them, would it be possible to use a bot to fix this? It seems to be a well-defined change, from http://dic.niconico.jp to http://dic.nicovideo.jp.

ElectricRaichu (talk) 10:07, March 6, 2016 (UTC)

Re:About transliterating
I understand that online transliterators make mistakes. I can't read kanji, so I'm not sure how to double check the romaji (aside from listening to the song itself). Granted, I never looked for a website/video that might have the romaji. I just assumed there wouldn't be considering how little views the official videos have gotten. Do you know of a website or person that might help me on this?

(P.S. Thank you for fixing up the romaji and adding English lyrics to The Witch and the Princess. I didn't even know that there was an official translation.)

Shimazu Sumiko (talk) 20:34, March 10, 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for your help. ^_^

Shimazu Sumiko (talk) 16:57, March 12, 2016 (UTC)

モノクロメモリーズ
Hey !

Go ahead, I haven't started it yet ! I'm sorry I didn't check before taking it...

Also, sorry for not being here a lot, but I don't really have access anymore to Internet on weekdays, and I work a lot on weekends. I hope I will come back more actiely in 2 or 3 months =)

Rachinaf (talk) 08:35, March 12, 2016 (UTC)

Choco (disambiguation)
The title of this page is sort of non-indicative because of most of the song titles. Therefore, would it make more sense to rename it as Chocolate (disambiguation) or create a redirect to it with this name? I'm guessing that it was named this because of Choko Ageru! and CHOCOLOVE, yet every other song title has "chocolate" in it somewhere. Choko Ageru! could probably be removed if it was renamed, but I'm a little confused with this. Thank you for helping me with the other questions I had, too. It means a lot to me. ^_^

Kotoritachi (talk) 00:21, March 15, 2016 (UTC)

Kusari no Shoujo
Hi. I just want to let you know that Wikia Contributor 96.226.219.111 has erased EVERYTHING from the song 鎖の少女 (Kusari no Shoujo). Is that really necessary? Should I report him/her? [from Coxal15]

Hi, I restored the page. My guess is that the deletion may have been an accident. ElectricRaichu (talk) 22:39, March 22, 2016 (UTC)

Re: Machine Translating
Thank you for the warning. I'll try to do better next time. Like you said before, everyone makes mistakes. Coxal15 (talk) 11:54, March 24, 2016 (UTC)

言ノ華?
Hey !

Sorry I didn't respond sooner ! I'm sorry I can't really help you now, but if you want me to, I can ask one of my Japanese teachers ^^

Rachinaf (talk) 20:14, March 25, 2016 (UTC)

Hi
Hi, I just have a quick question. On this wiki do the songs that are on here have to be originaly on nicovideo, or can there also be original songs that were only uploaded to youtube? (also I'm still new to this so sorry if I did this whole talk page message thing wrong)OliveTree4227 (talk) 23:40, March 26, 2016 (UTC)

The Request thread
Hey !

Please feel free to add any rule you can is useful adding ! We do have too many requests unfortunately... I think another solution would be to have the people giving us a link to the lyrics, but I don't know if people can actually find it by themsleves.

Unfortunately I won't be able to come regularly until the end of May. But I will have some time (and some Internet) for the next two weeks so don't be afraid to ask me anything.

Also I will try to add a few requests in the next few days so please don't hesitate to put your name on the forum thread so I know what song you are working on.

ElectricRaichu's idea is great too !

Have a nice day ! =D

Rachinaf (talk) 18:53, April 1, 2016 (UTC)

Hi !

I think a page would be easier to manage, and maybe add a discussion to it so people could still just give us the names / links of the songs they want. But I think it would be better if we could be the only ones able to edit the page, at the beginning at least.

Also I made some pages but I can't access Niconico for some reason so I won't be able to post them right now...

Rachinaf (talk) 11:17, April 2, 2016 (UTC)

Let me know if you need any help !

And thanks for your help about Niconico ! =D

Rachinaf (talk) 12:10, April 2, 2016 (UTC)

Hai msc redirect
I tried to make a redirect for producer Hai msc to the category page. I think I got it right after a few attempts, but could you please check I've done it right when you have the time? Thanks. ElectricRaichu (talk) 06:29, April 9, 2016 (UTC)

Approved Chinese translations
All songs featured in Project Diva F 2nd and Project Diva X have approved Chinese lyrics, though I'm checking to make sure if you want them or not. If you'd rather not have them on the page, I won't add them.

Ohjesusohboy (talk) 21:44, April 9, 2016 (UTC)

アンバランスコミュニケーション (Umbalance Communication)
There are three different translations of アンバランスコミュニケーション on its page. There is Umbalance Communication in the title and redirect, Unbalance Communication in the infobox, and Unbalanced Communication in the lyrics (and I think the picture). Which of these is more accurate?

Kotoritachi (talk) 22:34, April 17, 2016 (UTC)

Both Jisho.org and kotobank list "unbalanced" (na-adjective) and "imbalance" (noun) as meanings. It lists the etymology as the English word "unbalance", even though it does not appear to mean "unbalance" (verb).

In the translation, "unbalanced communication" seems fair enough since that's what I think it means, so the info box can be changed to match.

AFAIK there is no such word as "Umbalance" so (unless I'm mistaken) the title needs to be fixed. The guidelines say to use the word in the original language which in this case would be "unbalance". Since it really means "unbalanced" though, that's probably what is most helpful to someone reading it.

ElectricRaichu (talk) 06:13, April 18, 2016 (UTC)

Minor annoyance
Hey I'm getting lots of emails from songs I've edited before and forgot to (or sometimes deliberately didn't) click the follow box. I don't mind notifications of real edits because sometimes it's a correction that I'd like to know about. But lately someone's updating the viewcounts to the nth digit, like from 12,000 to 12,345. If someone is industrious enough to update the stats for 10,000 songs on this wiki, that's fine, but can we try to limit it to significant increases?

Maybe can we say that counts should be correct to the first two digits and the rest 0? E.g., a count of 123,456 should be recorded as 120,000+. That way it still adequately reflects the song's popularity, and there should be no need to update it until it reaches 130,000.

Just a suggestion.

ElectricRaichu (talk) 02:46, April 23, 2016 (UTC)

Postposition の
Hello. Recently I've checked some of your song title translations and corrected them. Unlike the English of, the particle の works as a postposition. For example, 君 の  歌 means  song  of  you . The modifier and modifee order is the opposite to that of English. Damesukekun (talk) 02:38, April 25, 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I talked to the wrong person. I'll tell this to Coxal. Damesukekun (talk) 14:49, April 25, 2016 (UTC)

このピアノでお前を8759632145回ぶん殴る
Hi Amandelen !

I checked the song, and I didn't understand Iroha either... And I noticed there are an English interpretation of the lyrics on the NN video, so I wonder if the kanji are not used for their meaning but rather for how they sound... (That would explain why the lyrics makes little sense to me)

I will try to do the romaji anyway ^^

Also, I wanted to let you know that I won't be there very often from today until wednesday night. Sorry if I can't finish the romaji by today...

Rachinaf (talk) 07:59, May 8, 2016 (UTC)

I think ElectricRaichu is right, there might be some chinese in the lyrics (or maybe it's because Iroha can't sing in English ?).

Do you think it's worth doing ? I can try, but it might just be weird.

Also while I'm writing... Is it better to write "@wiki" or "Hatsune Miku Wiki" in the External Links section ?

Rachinaf (talk) 10:38, May 9, 2016 (UTC)

Are there any users here or on Vocaloid Wiki who know Chinese? I've seen Chinese songs on some pages.

(Oh yes using @wiki is like naming links to Vocaloid Wiki and other wikia as just "Wikia".)

ElectricRaichu (talk) 09:56, May 10, 2016 (UTC)

I'm back ! =)

I get it now for the @wiki thing, it does make sense !

I think it's better to wait as you said for an interpretation / transcription of the lyrics... And I don' tthink it would be a problem to keep it in the request list since we never had it full yet.

Rachinaf (talk) 19:19, May 11, 2016 (UTC)

Regression
I just wanted to tell you I translated Regression, and you can remove it from your untranslated Korean songs list. By the way, I accidentally removed the list from my followed pages, and since you've blocked it from editing, I don't know how to follow it again... I'd like to follow it again, do you know what I'm supposed to do? Thanks!

Streetneko (talk) 13:33, May 11, 2016 (UTC)

Sandboxes
Hello, just a quick question. Are sandboxes (such as yours and Rachinaf's) for administrators only, or can anyone make them as long as they know how to? Thanks in advance!

Also, I wanted to apologize for only making minor edits recently. School's been getting rough and all of my bookmarks for pages are crashing my computer. Kotoritachi (talk) 21:32, May 12, 2016 (UTC)

I just made a sandbox, so hopefully my computer will crash less now. Thank you for telling me how to make one! Kotoritachi (talk) 22:40, May 13, 2016 (UTC)

pandora's box series
Ok, the pandora's box series will be the series where Himitsu no Kingyou will be in. Masa said it would contain 3 songs like the sisters series.

oops, forgot my signature. Mooshry (talk) 19:05, May 15, 2016 (UTC)

真夏の女神 (Manatsu no Megami)
Hi !

I just saw Manatsu no Megami on your sandbox, I wanted to warn you there's already a page.

Good night !

Rachinaf (talk) 21:07, May 16, 2016 (UTC)

Infobox song
Hi !

Someone changed the "Infobox song" template. I undid the edit but unfortunately every page that was changed before that looks like that. But I think that just doing a minor edit gets them back to what they were, so it's not too bad. =)

Rachinaf (talk) 07:07, May 23, 2016 (UTC)

こんいちわ～

Thanks for the message! I'll now use IMGUR for personal images! Also thanks for the kind words!

Regards,

rain
I added Toden's latest song "rain" but I'm not sure I got it right because there is another song with the same name. I couldn't add the link to the new song to the disambiguation page either. ElectricRaichu (talk) 06:05, May 26, 2016 (UTC)

Dog Day Afternoon
I just uploaded a subs to Dog Day Afternoon. Is it OK to replace the YouTube link with mine? I think my translation is more accurate than the existing link. ElectricRaichu (talk) 07:08, June 3, 2016 (UTC)

Two questions
Hello,

I have noticed that kz(livetune) doesn't work as a redirect, and neither does kz (livetune), but kz works and so does kz (producer). Is there a specific reason why those two are redirects and the other two aren't? It's just slightly confusing because the redirects are somewhat different than the actual category.

I also wanted to ask if it's okay to use signatures that aren't the default. I changed mine, but I know that there are signature policies on some wikis, and I couldn't find the policy here if there is one. (I'm manually signing this message with the default signature just in case.) Thanks in advance! =) Kotoritachi (talk) 23:07, June 6, 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for making the redirects! It will probably make it easier to change the ":Category:kz(livetune) songs list" to one of those on the pages that need it. If there isn't any policy on signatures, then I'll probably use my new one here. I'm still fixing it, so if there are any problems, I can switch back to the default signature.

Have a nice day! =)

K o tor i  tac h i  ~  T a l k ?  ~ M  y bl  o g  12:15, June 8, 2016 (UTC)

Explicit/Questionable Templates


 Hey! Just made  Template:Notify  and  Template:Explicit. I am working on Template:Questionable

Do you like?

<p style="font-weight:normal;">TooPointOhh (talk) 19:50, June 8, 2016 (UTC)

<p style="font-weight:normal;">Finished Template:Questionable

<p style="font-weight:normal;">TooPointOhh (talk) 20:20, June 8, 2016 (UTC)

<p style="font-weight:normal;margin-top:1em;margin-bottom:1em;font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">Hey Amandelen, <p style="font-weight:normal;font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">The templates are not the parts that are under licence, as Vocaloid Wiki is using someone else's notify template (added as Template:Notify), In the Notify doc (Template:Notify/doc) it states that it if from NFS World Wiki with it being using with permission, as long as it is credited (in the doc). Could you take the notification out of the Template:Explicit and Template:Questionable?

<p style="font-weight:normal;font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">Thanks

<p style="font-weight:normal;font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">TooPointOhh (talk) 20:20, June 10, 2016 (UTC)

Questionable/Explicit Templates
Hi !

Sorry, I haven't been able tocome here for the past week or so, a storm broke down my Internet...

I don't think the templates are very pretty but they look kind of official, maybe they are obligatory? I also think it's weird to have a category for songs with questionable or explicit but I guess we can always remove that.

Sorry, I don't really have an opinion about them but I think we should use them, since they seem provided by Wikia itself.

Have a good day ! =)

Rachinaf (talk) 15:20, June 14, 2016 (UTC)

Category!? I think the templates are nicely designed and would make us look consistent with VW, so provided they are easy to use, then I'm all for using them. My concern, however, and my reason for commenting here, is that I would not be happy with a category of explicit songs. It would be like deliberately offering a collection of inappropriate material, especially when there is no age control on who can see it. ElectricRaichu (talk) 22:50, June 14, 2016 (UTC)

+IMPALE
Hey. This THING made it's way into the wiki... Is it even acceptable? It is a parody song of +REVERSE

The page is +IMPALE TooPointOhh (talk) 14:03, June 15, 2016 (UTC)

RE: RE: +IMPALE
Lol Sorry :P Didn't notice you were also editing. I did some censorship myself. You can reload the page to see it. TooPointOhh (talk) 14:31, June 15, 2016 (UTC)

罪の名前 (Tsumi no Namae)
Hello! I was wondering if you or someone else has the lyrics for the differently sung parts of Tsumi no Namae. It's a great song, and I want to sing a cover of it, but unfortunately I don't know the lyrics of the parts where Miku sings kind of "robotically" (I'm not really sure how to describe it). It includes a little bit of whispering/singing in the beginning, and then some parts in between the verses where she sings. I can't really make out the words, but it sounds like she's singing in English. I was listening to Yuikonnu-san's cover of the song, and she sings those parts in her own voice, but I'm wondering where she got the lyrics to them. Thank you! Awesomebubble (talk) 02:28, June 16, 2016 (UTC)

神様∴Application
Hi !

Sure, no problem ! =) Sorry for having caused trouble by posting wrong lyrics...

Have a good day !

Rachinaf (talk) 08:22, June 26, 2016 (UTC)

RE: Reprints
Ahh. I see. Thanks for the correction.

TooPointOhh (talk) 18:59, June 29, 2016 (UTC)

Epilepsy Template
I made an epilepsy template.


 * Epilepsy

Requests
Hi !

Aaw, thanks for your concern! I'm okay now, it's just that I'm scarred of seeing blood, and seeing some so suddenly made me a little bit upset, and I overreacted, sorry. And I should have seen it coming, too.

Have a good day ! =D

Rachinaf (talk) 08:43, July 4, 2016 (UTC)

SnowNoiseP and SuiheisenP
Hi,

I recently created a page for one of SuiheisenP's songs, but I'm a bit unsure how to categorize the producer.

SuiheisenP and SnownoiseP are the same person, but both VocaDB and 初音ミクwiki treat them as separate producers (they have their own page). Suiheisen and SnowNoise also have different mylists and different piapro accounts (although Suiheisen's account/mylist is now deleted).

Would SuiheisenP need their own category? Or is it okay to categorize their songs as SnowNoiseP songs?

(Sorry if this is weirdly worded. English is hard when you woke up an hour ago and are still a bit tired.)

☾Seramyu (talk) 09:04, July 6, 2016 (UTC)

勿忘草
The kanji looks like 姫 hime, KI, "princess" to me. I'm not sure how it makes sense in context though. I did a search on a kanji app I have and the next closest I could find were 嫗 姙 娵. ElectricRaichu (talk) 03:38, July 12, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks both of you for your help ! I will use 姫. We will maybe find out if the lyrics are published by the producer one day.

Have a good day ! =D

Rachinaf (talk) 09:35, July 12, 2016 (UTC)

keen redirect
Could you please have a look at keen? I don't think I could get it right ... ElectricRaichu (talk) 23:27, December 31, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing it. Could you please check I did Mata ne OK? I made a disambiguation page for it, and got Mata ne to redirect to it. There was also a page Mata ne without hiragana for some reason that redirected to ryo's song, so I changed it to go to the disambiguation page too. However, do we need either of those redirects? It's also odd that both song pages have "< またね (Mata ne)" at the top. Are they supposed to? ElectricRaichu (talk) 08:47, January 2, 2017 (UTC)

Thanks as always for all your great help. And I forgot to say happy new year! ElectricRaichu (talk) 23:14, January 2, 2017 (UTC)