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Amandelen (talk) 19:29, February 27, 2019 (UTC)

Hoshi no Yukue made translation
Hello, thanks for the translation to Hoshi no Yukue made. Would you be able to credit the translator, even if it's yourself? Sometimes people copy translations by translators who are known to be unreliable and we have to delete them. Unless we can identify anonymous translations, we usually delete them unless we can confirm their accuracy.

If you translated this song yourself, would you be able to address some issues ... ElectricRaichu (talk) 22:24, March 11, 2019 (UTC)
 * 舟 usually refers to a boat while 船 to a ship. The reference to rowing also suggests a boat.
 * 途方に暮れるほど晴れた is one phrase. It sounds to me like what's puzzling is why the sky is so clear.
 * そこまで舟を漕いで進む Translation lacks the sense that there's a destination in mind, probably where the star landed.
 * 手がかりは星の落ちた場所 / 遠くはない. It may be a matter of interpretation but I think interpreting literally makes more sense to me, "The clue is the place where the star fell; it's not far." Or maybe "The clue is at the place where the star fell; it's not far."
 * 夜空駆けるあの星のように. Again it's a matter of interpretation. You've interpreted it as 夜空はあの星のように駆ける but I think it's less forced and makes better sense if you take it as 夜空を駆けるあの星、のように, "like that star that races through the night sky", describing the wish for the ship to make a similar speedy journey.


 * Yes, I'm the one who translated it. I can add the credit to the page.


 * I could change "ship" to "boat". I mainly just used ship because I thought it sounded better and didn't detract from the meaning enough to matter much, and the mention of rowing and a sinlge crew member would let people know it isn't a huge ship.
 * Maybe something like "While staring up at the sky that's so clear it's puzzling" would be more clear?
 * I figured the intention of rowing to a destination was implied, so I didn't directly translate the そこまで. Adding a few more words could make it clearer, although I think other parts of the song let people know they are going towards a destination.
 * Perhaps. I read it as them searching far for clues of the star's landing place but not finding any. Your idea could also work.
 * This is also a tricky one since I think either intepretation works.
 * Migu39 (talk) 00:30, March 12, 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for thinking about my comments. ElectricRaichu (talk) 04:16, March 12, 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, the reader can infer that's it's a small vessel if they think about it, but i think calling it a boat makes it easier for them. Actually I think boat sounds better anyway, but I guess that's a matter of personal taste.
 * Yes I think that sounds more accurate.
 * I see what you mean about そこまで. If you can't think of a concise way of putting it, I guess it's OK as it is.
 * 遠くない is just the negative of 遠い. "It's not far". 遠くは indicates (to me at least) that it's 遠く being negated. If, as you interpret, 手がかり is being negated, that would make 遠く be in apposition to 星の落ちた場所, and following 遠く with は would suggest that there's no clue far away where it landed with the implication that the clue could be nearby. I can't see how the line could mean "clues about where it fell". Sorry it got a bit technical ...
 * Yes grammatically it's open to interpretation. I lean towards mine because a night sky moves slowly, while a shooting star does race through the sky. Plus then the speed of the star becomes a simile for the boat's speed. I can't see how the movement of a shooting star can be a simile for the sky's speed. What do you think?


 * I changed all the "ship"s to "boat"s. I guess there is some taste involved since I prefer the other word, I'm not really that attached to either though and boat is more accurate due to the kanji used.
 * Changed. This also makes me think "途方に暮れるほど遠い記憶をたどって" might need rewriting since I similarly intepreted it as two phrases instead of everything modifying 記憶. Thoughts?
 * Changed to "I continue rowing my boat to my destination", could maybe even be shortened to "I continue rowing my boat forward".
 * This is likely a better interpetation. I was thinking maybe words are just mixed around to sounds better, so 手がかり and ない went together. Maybe a bit too contrived to be accurate. Changed.
 * I was mainly thinking of how in English you might say something like "the night races on". It may not fit though. In the context of the following line I can definitely see your point. I've changed this line too.
 * Thanks for the feedback! I appreciate you taking the time to reach out and help me improve.


 * Migu39 (talk) 11:43, March 12, 2019 (UTC)

It's a pleasure, and hopefully we both learned something. I would've struggled with some of those lines myself when I started off.

As with any skill, keep practicing, try to get feedback when you can, and be patient with yourself too. And I think reading widely in both languages helps you become more fluent. Even though I already knew Japanese grammar, if I hadn't read some manga and found out how people really talk (as opposed to the sanitized Japanese you get in textbooks), I would've found songs very confusing.

ElectricRaichu (talk) 00:20, March 13, 2019 (UTC)

恋のミュージックアワー
I had a look at your translation for Love Music Hour and I would like to give you some feedback. I added your name as translator. I tended to forget to do that when I started, but we do consider it important to know, because sometimes people add translations by translators who are known to be unreliable (and then we have to delete them), and also it's nice to give credit for a good translation. ElectricRaichu (talk) 04:50, March 16, 2019 (UTC)
 * きっと この想いよ届け is a command addressed to the feelings, asking them the be delivered. English isn't as good as expressing that sort of thing, but often starting a sentence with "May ..." or "Let ..." sometimes works.
 * そっと その胸に響かせて can have two interpretations, either something happening before another clause (it would be the 届け of the previous lines), or a request, short for 響かせてください. Either way, it means "letting/let the music resonate" rather than "the music resonates".
 * you who is so extra special -- shouldn't that be "you who are so extra special"?
 * キラリ＊おしゃれして kirari means a flash of light, but in English "in a flash" has a different meaning, like "very quickly" so I don't think it captures the correct meaning. Maybe it's suggesting glittery clothes?
 * 背伸びして can mean stretching on one's toes, but also reaching up high either literally or metaphorically. I wonder if "reaching high" would fit better?
 * ふわり 色付いて I don't think fuwari "light (in weight), soft (to the touch), fluffy" can refer to how colour changes. It's more likely that she feels like she's floating like a cloud and her world seems painted with new colours as a result of falling in love.
 * 不器用だけど ありのままで The phrase ari no mama means something like "in the state that something is", "how it really is", "putting it frankly". I'm not sure of the next line, but it could be saying, "I may be clumsy, but just as I am right now [clumsy and all], hug me". Unless it's trying to say something else by 今を抱きしめて.
 * Thanks for adding the traslation credit! I realized I forgot it after posting but hadn't been able to update it yet. The feedback is appreciated too.


 * Do you mean it is a command as in the commanding form of 届く? I figured it was a form of 届ける describing that they were going to express their thoughts/feelings, or that the thoughts were themselves a report which was a little weird to put in English.
 * I think what I did have was pretty close, but I changed it since it sounds better and is a bit more accurate.
 * Using "is" sounds natural to me, so I'm not sure. I looked it up and some people would say "are" is better while some people say "is" is fine for a singular "you", so it doesn't seem clear what is correct to me.
 * You may be correct with this. It's probably a contraction of キラリと光る which I've seen used like "gleeming/sparkling/etc." so it is probably describing the clothes not the action of putting them on.
 * I read it more as a literal body stretch since they were describing putting on clothes/shoes, like they got ready and then stretched. I'm not sure what else they would be reaching for.
 * I've seen ふわり used to modify actions like this before, typically with と like ふわりと動く. So to me it just seemed like と was omitted but still used to describe 色付く.I've also seen this in other songs like [//vocaloidlyrics.fandom.com/wiki/ルーゲルダ_(Rugelda) https://vocaloidlyrics.fandom.com/wiki/ルーゲルダ_(Rugelda)] which has a similar translation. There is still some abiguity in what color is changing, so it might be better as "My color softly changes" or something like that.
 * I think what I have expresses that already, unless I'm not understanding you correctly. "Even though I'm clumsy in this moment/Please hug me".  Unless you mean that the song is saying the singer is always clumsy but what I translated implies that clumsiness is more of a momentary quality?
 * Migu39 (talk) 14:35, March 16, 2019 (UTC)

I would lean towards interpreting 届け as a command, mainly because it follows noun+よ which can be used to address someone, such as to indicate who a command is for. If it was 届ける, then I guess it's possible but interpreting よ that way seems forced to me, as if きっとこの想いよ is answering a question: "Surely it's this feeling, you know! [I'll] deliver [it] and [I'll] let ... music resonate ... [and ...]"

If you look up ふわり[と] on weblio, I don't see how it can carry the meaning of "gently changing". The senses listed are "light and soft" or "light and floating". The usage in Rugelda is very similar to the one in this song: the person feels light and the colour that symbolizes their emotions is changing. These are two related but distinct sensations. ふわりと動く means to move as if floating, i.e., lightly, which is within the range of the listed meanings. Changing gradually isn't, AFAICT.

With the last point, I think I see what you mean. "in this moment" is a bit different in meaning to ありのままで "as I am", but it's not stated whether clumsiness is a permanent characteristic or just difficulty in expressing herself at that time, so I guess what you've got is close enough to a reasonable interpretation.

ElectricRaichu (talk) 19:48, March 16, 2019 (UTC)


 * I didn't think it was a command at first, mainly because the rest of the writing isn't that strong, so it seemed out of place to me. Maybe something like "Let these feelings be expressed!"?


 * So "gently" wouldn't work but "lightly" or "softly" would? Reading it again, I think it really doesn't describe the "color" change, but more a change of mood in contrast to the previous lines. They start off very nervous/excited and then their mood lightens. So yeah this does need a correction.


 * Migu39 (talk) 12:32, March 17, 2019 (UTC)

It's worded as a command to the feeling, but I take it as more of a wish. "Let this feeling reach you", "May you get to know this feeling".

Her excitement won't stop so she feels like she's floating and her emotions make everything look a different colour. "My heart feels light and colourful" maybe?

ElectricRaichu (talk) 19:51, March 17, 2019 (UTC)

Requests
Hello there! I hope you're doing well. Do you take translation requests? SolarTwT (talk) 16:42, September 9, 2019

Hello! I might be open to it if I like the song and feel confident I could give it a proper translation. Do you have some you were wanting to request, or were you just wanting to know for future reference? Migu39 (talk) 18:30, September 9, 2019 (UTC)

Both, actually. I have a few songs I really want to be translated, so I'll link them here :- If there's a song you like, I'd appreciate it if you try your hand at translating it. I just listed a bunch of songs I'm curious about. Sorry if it's too much TvT
 * Cafne
 * krank
 * Tokumei
 * Coffin
 * Ciel Étoilé
 * Yoru o Oyogu
 * Cold Water
 * Festfes

Thank you! SolarTwT (talk) 11:07, September 10, 2019 (UTC)

I can give a few a shot. I'll start with シエレトワール since I do like that producer quite a bit. Cold Water I think I can also handle. From there I will see on any others. I probably won't want to do all of them but I can take care of some. Migu39 (talk) 20:44, September 13, 2019 (UTC)

Thank you very much! I do really like Ciel Etoile and Cold Water. I'll ask Raichu if he can translate Telecaster B-Boy (since it's a Len song XD) Thank you once again!

I posted one for Tokumei now. I started on Krank too but haven't done too much yet. I have a version of Deep Coma from the requests below too, it still seems a little off though so I'm sitting on that for now. The translation in the CC of the video for that is okay but I think there is some room for improvement. I'll probably jump over to Lazy Cruise for now though since I don't think that will take too long.

Migu39 (talk) 21:06, October 18, 2019 (UTC)

Thank you so so much!!! I have to say, the lyrics and your translation matches the tone of the song perfectly, it's quite dark huh.

I'm looking forward to Lazy Cruise!

SolarTwT (talk) 08:34, October 19, 2019 (UTC)

Krank is done now.

Migu39 (talk) 15:02, November 3, 2019 (UTC)

I was just reading it :) Thank you very very much! Edit: ここには歪みはないし for this line, 歪み which you've translated as bends, does it refer to emotions (as in mixed/muddled feelings or hazy thoughts) or does it refer to the situation (like, "there is nothing ambiguous here" kind of meaning?)

SolarTwT (talk) 15:08, November 3, 2019 (UTC)

I interpret the song as being about the end of a relationship that isn't going very well, so the "bends" to me refer to alternate paths or ways to go away from their current situation. Then in the next line it talks about there not being any destination either, so I see it like the way things are for this couple currently isn't going anywhere and has no other places to go forward.

Migu39 (talk) 20:10, November 3, 2019 (UTC)

That's the idea I got from only reading your translation, then I found what 歪み means seperately, and I thought it meant something like, "there's no ambiguity as to how this (relationship) will end." and then it's emphasised by the next line ("it will end up nowhere/ there's no destination it can reach")SolarTwT (talk) 10:42, November 6, 2019 (UTC)

ロヒプノール
https://vocaloidlyrics.fandom.com/wiki/%E3%83%AD%E3%83%92%E3%83%97%E3%83%8E%E3%83%BC%E3%83%AB_(Rohypnol) If you don't mind, I'd like to request this as well if it's not too difficult (I can pick a simpler/shorter song if you'd like tho)~Raine

This one is pretty tough to me, so I'm afraid I wouldn't do a good job with it. You can always post others and there might be some I could try though. The length typically isn't an issue, it just depends on the difficulty of the language used. Migu39 (talk) 21:54, September 17, 2019 (UTC)

Ciel Etoile
https://vocaloidlyrics.fandom.com/wiki/%E3%82%B7%E3%82%A8%E3%83%AC%E3%83%88%E3%83%AF%E3%83%BC%E3%83%AB_(Ciel_%C3%89toil%C3%A9) Thanks for the translation, could I also ask for a translation of the composer's comment in the description as well? :) ("瞬きをしている間に、世界は少し変わるらしい")--Angel

The description in the song info section at the top of the song's page has a translation of that part: "In a blink, the world seems to change a little bit". Typically what is in that section is a direct translation of something the producer said in the comments when they uploaded the video. Migu39 (talk) 11:19, September 18, 2019 (UTC)

Thank you so much for the translation!!!! SolarTwT (talk) 12:13, September 18, 2019 (UTC) Are you going to start with Cold Water? SolarTwT (talk) 12:18, September 18, 2019 (UTC)

You're welcome. I got Cold Water done now too, it's a bit simpler than Ciel so it didn't take too long. Migu39 (talk) 20:49, September 18, 2019 (UTC)

re-Request
I'm really sorry for bothering you like this TvT but I just realised that most of haruno's songs haven't been translated. They're fairly simple. There are some appearing on the CCs of his videos but I'm not sure whether they are entirely accurate. If you finish Cold Water, I would really appreciate if you consider some of haruno's songs for translation (especially Squall, Deep Coma and nuit) or update the ones in the CCs if they are good enough. You can ignore my previous requests if it's too much. Thank you!!

SolarTwT (talk) 18:36, September 18, 2019 (UTC)

I don't think I'm familiar with this this producer, but I can check out there stuff and see if there's anything I'd want to work on. I have some other songs that I want to take care of first so it might be a few days or so. I'll take another look at the other songs you had posted too after that. Migu39 (talk) 20:53, September 18, 2019 (UTC)

That's okay, take your time! I'll leave the links to the songs I mentioned above, in case you want a first look. Thank you!!
 * Squall
 * Deep Coma
 * nuit

SolarTwT (talk) 07:27, September 19, 2019 (UTC)

I posted a new version of nuit. The translation in the CC of the video isn't too bad, I think it could be worded a little better though so I made my own.

Migu39 (talk) 11:17, September 26, 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for the translation!!! SolarTwT (talk) 15:19, September 29, 2019 (UTC)

Deep Coma is done now.

Migu39 (talk) 23:01, October 30, 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you so so much!!!! With this you've completed my haruno requests! SolarTwT (talk) 05:57, October 31, 2019 (UTC)

スコール
Just noticed your translation of スコール and I made a couple of tweaks, hope you're happy with them.

淀んだくらし I don't think we say "stagnate life". I changed it to "stagnated life", or you can also say "stagnant life".

明日のはなしをしよう？ I think it means "Shall we talk about tomorrow?" which is what I think you meant. (It could also mean "Shall we talk about it tomorrow" but I think your intepretation makes more sense.)

The translation for 手のひらでまだ / 掬えるだけのかたちだって is a bit wordy but I'm not sure how to improve it. I'm not sure how to interpret the lines but for now I've changed "just needs to be" to "can be" because I don't really get the sense of "need" from the Japanese.

ElectricRaichu (talk) 22:46, September 22, 2019 (UTC)

I did mean "stagnant" with that first one but made a typo, "stagnated" works well too though.

The way you put 明日のはなしをしよう sounds more natural, I think what I had was just more literally translated.

The 手のひら... part is odd, so there may be more room for improvement still. I used "just needs" because of the だけ before 掬える, not to imply it was a necessary action. I read it like all that is needed is that かたち can be scooped out to get it. But yeah it's a weird section.

Migu39 (talk) 00:42, September 23, 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the translation and corrections! SolarTwT (talk) 18:37, September 23, 2019 (UTC)

Oh I see. While だけ can have the sense of のみ, "that and no more", だけ can also mean "that and no more and no less", "around that amount". Given that 掬える is potential, I would take it to mean that what lies in the palm is a small amount, yes it's just a scoop, but it's also enough that you actually can scoop it out, like more than a few drops. See dctionary. ElectricRaichu (talk) 23:20, September 23, 2019 (UTC)

Kuchi o tsuku
https://vocaloidlyrics.fandom.com/wiki/%E5%8F%A3%E3%82%92%E8%A1%9D%E3%81%8F_%28Kuchi_o_Tsuku%29 If you have time, I'd like to request this too~Raine

I don't think I've heard this producer before, but I like their stuff so thanks for the request! I should be able to take on this one, I'll try to get to it within a week or so. Migu39 (talk) 13:16, September 24, 2019 (UTC)

This one is done now. Migu39 (talk) 12:54, September 29, 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, can you translate the title too please? :)~Raine

Yep, no problem. Migu39 (talk) 02:10, September 30, 2019 (UTC)

PinocchioP
https://vocaloidlyrics.fandom.com/wiki/%E4%BA%BA%E9%96%93%E3%81%AA%E3%82%93%E3%81%8B%E5%A4%A7%E5%AB%8C%E3%81%84_(Ningen_Nanka_Daikirai)

Could you translate this when you have time please? :3--Angel

I have been looking at this one, I'm not sure if I'll post anything for it yet though since there are a few parts that are difficult to me. I'll give it a little more time and report back once I'm sure I can do it or not.

Migu39 (talk) 21:27, October 7, 2019 (UTC)

Okay, this one is done now. Some parts are a little odd, I don't think they are supposed to make complete sense. The song seems to be about PinocchioP mocking religion, and probably humanity in general.

Migu39 (talk) 19:10, October 13, 2019 (UTC)

Lazy Cruise
Hello! Do you mind checking the translations for the spoken lines for this https://vocaloidlyrics.fandom.com/wiki/%E3%83%AC%E3%82%A4%E3%82%B8%E3%83%BC%E3%83%BB%E3%82%AF%E3%83%AB%E3%83%BC%E3%82%BA_(Lazy_Cruise)

I tried TvT Please make the necessary corrections if needed. And consider translating the song if you can!

SolarTwT (talk) 10:46, October 8, 2019 (UTC)

The translation looks pretty good. Some things that might need changing are:

めんどくさいので死んでください I would say "You're really annoying" instead of "it's really annoying" since I'm pretty sure the speaker is refering to the other person there.

送るよ Might be better as "I'll see you off" or something like that rather than just "good bye".

Other than that I think it's fine. If you were able to do that then maybe you could try the rest of the song too? I wouldn't mind checking it or helping out if you want to give it a shot. I could take care of the rest but it might be a little while before I get to it.

Migu39 (talk) 13:00, October 8, 2019 (UTC)

Oh I see! So the speaker was referring to the other person...I thought they were referring to the time constraint of their meetings, judging from the previous lines (since it seems like they can meet only during the night. Maybe the speaker is a spirit unable to pass and the other person's a human? That's why they ask them to die, so that it's easier for them to meet.)

Also I'm not sure if "no, not yet" is the right translation for 「いやだ」? Because it feels like the person is reluctant to let their time end, though I don't really know how to express that in English. Maybe, "No...not yet"?

Thanks! I didn't know how to translate 送るよ but now that you say it, it's pretty obvious TvT I was too caught up on the specifics TvT

I would if I could, but translating spoken lines is a lot different from translating a song, I'm afraid I'm not skilled enough to do that yet. I might try, though I feel like it'll be full of mistakes which will end up troubling you more than being of help :')

Anyway, thanks for the corrections!

Edit: So I read through the lyrics again, and I have no idea what some of the lines are trying to say TvT I need to study more..

SolarTwT (talk) 16:25, October 8, 2019 (UTC)

The translation for いやだ is alright, it could probably be better but I don't think English has an equivalent that is so compact for the situation. The speaker is expressing displeasure at having to part with the other person, it might be hard to get across with just text. Maybe "I don't want to leave yet" or "Aww, so soon?" or "Just a little longer", but again English isn't as compact in this situation so you risk putting in more than is necessary. Maybe just "Aww..." or a similar sound of disappointment would be fine?

If you don't want to try the full song I can add it to my list, I'm not familiar with this producer but the song is pretty cool.

Migu39 (talk) 13:01, October 9, 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, I can't think of anything that's short enough to keep the original tone. But using just a sound of disappointment/displeasure doesn't quite carry the whole feeling, for me atleast. How about "Not so fast" but that sounds like the speaker's chasing the other person. Or how about having more emphasis on the negation like, "Not, so soon..." or "Not, just yet..."?

Alright then, please add it to your list m(_ _)m

Also here is my translation of the first three lines (I'm not sure about them at all TvT) :-

As the dissolving horizon 

clings on to the darkening evenings

I get lost in you

SolarTwT (talk) 15:34, October 9, 2019 (UTC)

Alright, I think I'm about done with this one. Do you want to make any more changes to the part you translated?

Migu39 (talk) 12:24, October 20, 2019 (UTC)

Great! I personally don't have anything I want to change, but there's something you think can be worded better, feel free to make the necessary changes.

SolarTwT (talk) 14:53, October 20, 2019 (UTC)

Btw, I wanted to ask, do have any plans to translate any of the songs HnY's translated? Even though now there'll be a note saying the translations are available in the history.. Also, do you have terms regards to usage of your translations?

SolarTwT (talk) 14:59, October 20, 2019 (UTC)

It's up now. I think I changed one or two words in the spoken part but other than that it was good. I don't know about translating any of the HnY songs, I haven't thought about it much since there hasn't been a final decision on what to do yet (I think anyway). If the songs do end up needing new ones I might do some since they did quite a few songs I enjoy. As for terms of my translations, I guess I could add some to my profile in case anyone else wants to know. I don't have many but I think the main ones would be: Don't claim my work as your own, credit me if you do use them, and I'd prefer to be asked or at least notified if they are used (mainly since it would be cool to know). Do you have something you were wanting to use a translation for?

Migu39 (talk) 16:17, October 20, 2019 (UTC)

Thank you so so so much for the translation!! It's just so nice, I don't really know how to explain it TwT Yeah, I think it's a good idea to add them to your profile, just to be safe. I don't want to use them for any personal activities or anything, the thought just occured to me since you didn't state any on your profile. Also because often times I see translations on the CCs on covers and they never really mention the translator (my guess is that the fans take them from the CCs of the original upload so they might not be aware if the translator has terms regarding usage) so people assume it was translated by the caption authors. Misattribution basically. It happens on the wiki too, sometimes.

SolarTwT (talk) 19:17, October 20, 2019 (UTC)

I'm glad you like it!

Migu39 (talk) 19:58, October 20, 2019 (UTC)

prescription
https://vocaloidlyrics.fandom.com/wiki/Prescription

Could you translate this song when you have time? It's pretty short with repeated lines, it won't take that long. SolarTwT (talk) 07:52, October 23, 2019 (UTC)

Sure, I have a few others I'm working on now but I'll take a look at it some time soon.

Migu39 (talk) 01:49, October 24, 2019 (UTC)

This one is done now.

Migu39 (talk) 20:27, October 27, 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for the translation!!! SolarTwT (talk) 20:27, October 27, 2019 (UTC)

https://vocaloidlyrics.fandom.com/wiki/深海の歌_(Shinkai_no_Uta)

https://vocaloidlyrics.fandom.com/wiki/フロイデ_(Freudé)

Please check if you would like to translate these. Other than Krank and Deep Coma, are you planning to translate anything else from my previous requests?

I can do 深海の歌, probably not フロイデ though. I don't think I'll do any of the other ones from above other than Deep Coma/Krank, at least not for now, so if you were wanting to request them from someone else or something then feel free to.

Migu39 (talk) 21:45, October 28, 2019 (UTC)

Alright, thank you! I don't think I'll request the other songs from anyone either (maybe Festfes but not the others.)

Also, could you check this one too? There's a translation in the youtube CC. https://vocaloidlyrics.fandom.com/wiki/空洞より_(Kuudou_Yori)

Thanks!

SolarTwT (talk) 04:57, October 29, 2019 (UTC)

Edit: Is this fine? https://vocaloidlyrics.fandom.com/wiki/ぐーぐー_(Guu_Guu)

ぐーぐー seems alright, although the "guess I'll sleep off" line doesn't sound that natural to me. Maybe that is a common expression where you are from? Probably not how I would put it, but the intent is conveyed either way so it could be fine.


 * I see. Yeah, people do say sleep off here XD. But if you want to change it please go ahead!SolarTwT (talk) 05:38, October 30, 2019 (UTC)

I think 空洞より might have some errors, nothing too major but a few things seem off to me. The song is also fairly vague on some things so there is some room for interpretation too.

Migu39 (talk) 21:50, October 29, 2019 (UTC)


 * I've added the translations here. https://vocaloidlyrics.fandom.com/wiki/空洞より_(Kuudou_Yori) If you would like, please tweak those errors you mentioned.SolarTwT (talk) 06:03, October 30, 2019 (UTC)

Picon
https://vocaloidlyrics.fandom.com/wiki/%E6%9A%96%E3%81%8B%E3%81%84%E7%94%9F%E3%81%8D%E7%89%A9_(Atatakai_Ikimono)

Can you translate this when you have time?

I can give this one a shot some time soon.

Migu39 (talk) 23:31, November 4, 2019 (UTC)

This is done now.

Migu39 (talk) 00:04, November 8, 2019 (UTC)

Message
Hey Migu,

As you may know Damesukekun recently left the community due to a busy schedule in real life. Because of this we don't have a reliable way of checking translations for accuracy anymore. Currently we have ElectricRaichu checking any translations that come in, but it's too much for only one person to handle. I don't know enough Japanese to distinguish between good or bad translations, so I can't check translations myself. That's why I'd like to ask you if you'd be interested in helping us out with this. We're currently still working out how to split the translations that come in, but Raichu has suggested the idea of splitting the songs by VOCALOID, producer, genre or the like. If you have any ideas on that, feel free to message me! As for the translations you check, you can do with them what you like. You could just check them for accuracy and let them be handled based on that, or you could fix the mistakes that are in it and add your name under it. It's up to you. I hope this gives enough information for now. I look forward to your response!

Thank you for reading this message. I hope you have a nice day =) Amandelen (talk) 09:07, November 2, 2019 (UTC)

I didn't know Dame had left, that is unfortunate. I wouldn't mind helping out on checking things, some more info on how you guys handle it would be helpful though. Do you just use the "Recent Activity" page for seeing when translations are added or is there something else you're using for tracking things? As for how songs are chosen, I don't think I'd care too much honestly about genre/producer/etc. as long as I could understand the song myself, since it's different than picking songs I'd want to translate on my own. So if someone has a specific way they want to select how things are split up we can try it out. My schedule can also be a little full, at least during the week, I could probably spend at least an hour or so a day checking things if needed, and weekends are pretty free. Roughly how many new translations are we getting here a day?

Migu39 (talk) 13:09, November 2, 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your quick response! To answer your questions, I plan on keeping a list of translations that need to be checked here, so you won't have to go looking for the translations yourself. I'll make sure to keep track of the translations that are added here so you don't have to. I've added some translations that people asked Raichu about but which weren't checked yet already, so that should give you an idea what it'll look like. Feel free to leave suggestions on how to improve it. Translations that are added here by users will be the primary focus I think, so most translations will be found using the Recent Activity page. I'm not really sure if we'll accept translations that haven't been added here yet, that'll probably depend on how many come in.
 * I've also asked Spicy Sweet if they'd be willing to help, and they'd like to split it by genre so that'll probably be our main way to split songs for now. As for the number of translations, the average right now is about 4 per week I think (so less than one per day). In the past Damesukekun could get maybe 10 per week if things were busy, but the average was about 4 as well.
 * I hope this answers your questions! If you have more, don't hesitate to ask me. Also, is there a specific genre you'd like to tackle? Amandelen (talk) 22:33, November 2, 2019 (UTC)

Out of the genres you have listed there that haven't been selected yet, the ones I'd prefer would be: Hard rock, metal, blues, jazz, house, and electronic. Might add trance in there too, but that might fall within house/electronic. There are a lot of genres out there and some songs can be hard to classify, so it might be difficult to label some. If we don't get in that many songs to check or most are from a few genres, a system of just having whoever claims a song first be the one to check it might work too just to simplify things. I guess we can see how it goes.

Migu39 (talk) 12:42, November 3, 2019 (UTC)


 * I've listed the genres you mentioned. If we don't have too many songs the system you proposed is probably better than the current one. Thank you for the suggestion! I'll add it to the blog post too. Amandelen (talk) 17:32, November 3, 2019 (UTC)

Requests II
Are there are any songs listed here that you like and could be interested in translating? Thank you!


 * Save Me
 * Kurage
 * Shinkyou⇒Exclamation!
 * Fool Definition
 * Slow Downer
 * Lavender

I can start with Save Me and Shinkyou, not sure about the others yet.

Migu39 (talk) 20:29, November 7, 2019 (UTC)

Crap, I forgot to sign last time... That's okay, thank you! I'm looking forward to the translations! By the way, do you listen to the songs that are requested? SolarTwT (talk) 20:36, November 7, 2019 (UTC)

Yep, I listen to every song that gets requested. That's one of the ways that helps me determine if I want to do it or not. That's not the only factor, but I do want to like the way the song sounds since I'll be listening to it several times while translating it.

Migu39 (talk) 12:44, November 8, 2019 (UTC)

That's nice! Just wanted to ask because the some of the requests I made this time seem to match your preferred genres. I would like to hear what you think of them! That goes for any song I request! SolarTwT (talk) 13:08, November 8, 2019 (UTC)

I could give some of my thoughts on songs whenever I'm done with them, is there anything in particular you would want to know about?

Migu39 (talk) 23:45, November 9, 2019 (UTC)

Not really, just what you think of the song, do you like it etc. Oh, I just remembered, you could add translation notes for your translations if you have any. SolarTwT (talk) 06:57, November 10, 2019 (UTC)

Save Me and Shinkyou are finished now. Shinkyou was a pretty fun song, I think the mix of romantic and religious cult-like language is pretty entertaining. Save Me seems fairly bittersweet. We know from the producer comment it's directed at someone wanting to commit suicide, and the song seems to both be wishing for them not to do it, but also someone sympathetic or at least trying to understand the other's feelings. I don't typically have any translation notes. On a few songs I've added in links to explain references, but that's all. I'm not sure what else would be interesting to note for other people.

Migu39 (talk) 01:00, November 14, 2019 (UTC)

Woohhh thank you so much for the translations!! I agree, Shinkyou is a really fun song, but its kind of scary at the same time XD Save me feels so empathetic and emotional, from the music and especially Miku's tuning. The fact that the producer made the song on his iphone is super impressive too! As for translation notes, maybe explaining wordplays or double meanings, if there are any? Also do you have plans to translate any other song from Requests II? I personally would like Fool Definition and Slow Downer translated the most. They seem to have interesting lyrics. SolarTwT (talk) 17:37, November 14, 2019 (UTC)

I think the only one I'm really feeling right now is Lavender. Maybe I can come back to the others at a later time, we'll see. I'll try to keep ideas for notes in mind. Typically the things I find most interesting are fun ways the Japanese is written, so those can be hard to get across in English. Other things might come up though.

Migu39 (talk) 21:07, November 21, 2019 (UTC)


 * Of course! Anything you prefer doing. You can add notes for those if you'd like then.SolarTwT (talk) 19:15, November 22, 2019 (UTC)

Lavender is done. Not really sure what to say on it, it's an odd song. The perspective seems to be one of mental anguish though, so there is probably some sort of trauma that inspired it.

Migu39 (talk) 20:27, November 26, 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the translation!! That's interesting. When I read the lyrics I thought there were themes of escapism and betrayal in the song. Also, fun fact! Lavender in Hanakotoba can mean "Silence" "'Please answer me'" "Expectation/Hope" and "Suspicion" along with "grace" "purity" and "daintiness" SolarTwT (talk) 07:46, November 27, 2019 (UTC)

Days/Easy Pop
When you get a chance, could you have a look at my translation for Days/Easy Pop? I'm having trouble understanding verse 7: 優しく光る黒い毛並みは / すべてわかってるような / きっともっとずっと大切なこと / ずっと一緒に ElectricRaichu (talk) 04:45, November 8, 2019 (UTC)

I think the first two lines are their own sentence, so it would be:

優しく光る黒い毛並みはすべてわかってるような, "Your nicely shining black fur seems to understand everything". Maybe な is just for emphasis in this case, and to sound better with the previous line's ending (は and な).

Then the next line is a separate sentence, maybe describing the fur:

きっともっとずっと大切なこと, "It's a surely really mostly important thing"

Then the next line is it's own sentence again. That's how I interpret it anyway.

Migu39 (talk) 12:33, November 8, 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for looking at it. I did think of that interpretation. I don't prefer it because for fur to understand sounds strange, and ような is too much like ような for me to take it as よう + な. Taking the fur as the 大切なこと about which it can be said that the guy understands the cat, while it also seems forced, at least if an animal has shiny fur, it indicates that it's well looked after, so I think that kind of makes more sense. ElectricRaichu (talk) 07:49, November 9, 2019 (UTC)

Could be two different comments on the fur, with some things left out:

優しく光る黒い毛並みはすべてわかってるようなこと.

(優しく光る黒い) 毛並みはきっともっとずっと大切なこと.

With こと as the fur, which isn't actually doing the action of わかる, it just has the characteristics of something that does that action. It is strange, but considering the premise of the song I don't think it's too odd.

Migu39 (talk) 20:48, November 10, 2019 (UTC)

ガラスの糸
https://vocaloidlyrics.fandom.com/wiki/%E3%82%AC%E3%83%A9%E3%82%B9%E3%81%AE%E7%B3%B8_(Glass_no_Ito) This would be nice to see a translation to, if you have time :) (or any of Kasamura Toota's works, really lol)~Raine

Yeah I can check this one out after I finish with a few other songs. I do like this producer too so I'll consider doing some more from them in the future.

Migu39 (talk) 20:58, November 10, 2019 (UTC)

This one is done now.

Migu39 (talk) 17:55, November 16, 2019 (UTC)

Tunnel Daibouken
https://vocaloidlyrics.fandom.com/wiki/とんねる大冒険_(Tunnel_Daibouken)

This was put up for review quite a while back it seems and it hasn't been checked yet. Would you mind checking it? SolarTwT (talk) 09:53, November 13, 2019 (UTC)

Looks like Raichu already revised this one, and it seems fine now.

Migu39 (talk) 12:21, November 13, 2019 (UTC)


 * Alright, thank you! I'll remove the template then. SolarTwT (talk) 12:25, November 13, 2019 (UTC)

Artemis
https://vocaloidlyrics.fandom.com/wiki/Artemis/Azell

Do you mind checking the translation? I tried TvT SolarTwT (talk) 18:47, November 13, 2019 (UTC)

Not too bad overall though.
 * I'm not sure about the "Even if I wish to meet you, it's all a relic of the past" line. 残存 basically means "survive/remain", and in this case I think the lyric is saying something like "even if I want to be with you, I remain here" (or wherever they are, away from who they are talking about).
 * With "is like my feelings; undisplaced", since the lyrics don't explicitly compare Polaris to 想い I can't tell if that is the intent or not. The two lines there may be unrelated. Same with the similar lines later in the song.
 * "One who erases the past, Artemis", since 消せる is the potential form this might be closer to something like "one who can erase the past".
 * "The piano sounds, how far will it resonate I wonder?", to me having "I wonder" and a question mark together doesn't sound that natural. It might be better with just one, like "I wonder how far it will resonate" or "how far will it resonate?", either of which could work too. This one might just be me though.

Migu39 (talk) 00:23, November 15, 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for looking through! Initially I kept the Polaris line and the 想い line seperate but then I remembered Polaris appears to never change its position. Prior to that I just had it as "My feelings will never change/These feelings will never change." What would you suggest? SolarTwT (talk) 07:04, November 15, 2019 (UTC)

Looks like you're right about Polaris due to its position above the north pole, so you could make a case for that comparison. What you have currently could work too, so I'd say just go with whatever you feel is better. Don't forget to credit yourself on the page too!

Migu39 (talk) 13:41, November 15, 2019 (UTC)

Yoru o Oyogu
https://vocaloidlyrics.fandom.com/wiki/よるをおよぐ_(Yoru_o_Oyogu)

Would you mind checking this translation? This was one of the songs I requested previously btw. I added it on Amandalen's blog post but it's out of the scope of the system there, since it was done by a recommended translator. I think there are some lines which have grammatical errors or have been translated too literally. I got in contact with the translator and they said they're not sure about some lines either, so they translated them literally.

Thanks! SolarTwT (talk) 09:18, November 15, 2019 (UTC)

It has some issues. There are mistranslated parts, and some of the English is odd ("in the midnight", etc.). It's not totally inaccurate, but could definitely use some changes.

Migu39 (talk) 00:39, November 18, 2019 (UTC)

I see. Would you prefer correcting them here or contacting the translator? SolarTwT (talk) 01:42, November 18, 2019 (UTC)

I went ahead and made a few corrections.

Migu39 (talk) 21:01, November 21, 2019 (UTC)


 * Alright, thank you! Btw, I think you should archive the conversations which have already been completed, just to keep things neater.SolarTwT (talk) 19:18, November 22, 2019 (UTC)

Macaron
https://vocaloidlyrics.fandom.com/wiki/マカロン_(Macaron)/ATOLS

Do you mind checking the 刹那の残響は、0 line? SolarTwT (talk) 14:12, November 17, 2019 (UTC)

It doesn't seem correct, I'm not sure where they got "regret" from. It seems to be describing the eating of the macarons, which I'm no expert on, but I think they are supposed to be soft and not very crunchy so the lyrics appear to be saying there is no echo whenever the macaron is bitten into. So it's like the echo of the instant of biting into it is 0.

Migu39 (talk) 17:16, November 17, 2019 (UTC)

So...how would you translate that line? "You take a bite of it(me). In that instant, the echo is O"?

I'd probably try to bring it in with the previous line and do something like "To complete the finale of my life, please chew me up with your teeth, the instant of that bite leaves 0 sound, I fly towards...".

Migu39 (talk) 20:43, November 17, 2019 (UTC)

Alright then, could you make that correction? Thanks! SolarTwT (talk) 01:41, November 18, 2019 (UTC)

When you eat a macaron, it's ending is to be chewed by someone's teeth, right? There's a momentary crunch, which I think is what it's talking about. Why is the crunch described as 0!? ... Unless ... it's not really talking about macarons. Anyway, I'd say "the momentary crunch is 0" or something like that. ElectricRaichu (talk) 08:50, November 18, 2019 (UTC)

Maybe I was wrong and there is some crunchy sound associated with it. Perhaps the 0 is referencing a point in time, like the instant of biting into it is the start of the eating experience, "the momentary crunch is at 0"? Either way, I'm not all that concerned with it personally since it is just one line that won't alter the meaning of the song in any significant way. If you think there is something that would make more sense then I'll just leave it up to you Solar!

Migu39 (talk) 14:59, November 18, 2019 (UTC)


 * I don't think it's talking about the macaron. I feel like it's just a stylised way of saying there's no sound at moment you bite into me/ chew noiselessly...if that makes sense? I also thought the O could mean 0 hertz, but that would be too technical.


 * Hmm, "the crunch, the instant I'm bitten, echoes to 0"? or "the instant I'm bitten into, the crunch echoes to 0" Would that work?

EDIT: I thought about it and it feels like the focus is on the 刹那 rather than the crunch or 残響. So with the previous line, I think "the moment/instant echoes (and fades) to 0" What do you guys think? (Sorry for going around in circles TwT) SolarTwT (talk) 18:21, November 18, 2019 (UTC)

That's a little dodgy, since は marks 残響 as the topic. Although, it could mean that the 残響 is so momentary that it's 0, that would be OK I think. Also 0 could be the shape of the macaron and/or the shape of the mouth. The other point (which I didn't want to say explicitly ...) is that while song is ostensibly about macarons, it is suggestive of oral sex, in which case there is no crunch. There are a range of interpretations possible.

How about "For a momentary echo, 0" or something like that? I'd go for a word-for-word approach and leave the interpretation to the reader. It's just as enigmatic in Japanese, after all. ElectricRaichu (talk) 23:04, November 18, 2019 (UTC)


 * I agree with leaving it ambiguous, so I've changed it to 'The momentary echo, 0' Hope that's okay. Thanks, both of you! SolarTwT (talk) 11:19, November 20, 2019 (UTC)

メーベル
I think 夜は更けてく means "the night is getting late" or "the night is getting on". ElectricRaichu (talk) 05:06, November 30, 2019 (UTC)

Is that much different than what I had changed it to? Seems to mean about the same thing. Since it's ～てく it is continuing to get later, so it's "continuing on" as in getting later and later.

Migu39 (talk) 13:41, November 30, 2019 (UTC)

I think it means that the night is getting deeper, like turning into midnight, but it means the same thing. Just a difference in nuance I guess. SolarTwT (talk) 13:44, November 30, 2019 (UTC)

Checking
オヤスミ

Be My Sacrifice

Do you mind checking them? SolarTwT (talk) 07:50, December 3, 2019 (UTC)

オヤスミ looks good. This won't change the meaning of the song much, but for 心しずめて it would probably be more accurate to say something like "I calm my heart" since しずめる is a transitive verb. So that is something to consider.

Be My Sacrifice should be fine too. There is some ambiguity in it, like who is the subject of some lines (此処に立って, etc.) so there is room for interpretation.

Migu39 (talk) 22:56, December 3, 2019 (UTC)

Thank you! I've made the change you mentioned in オヤスミ. SolarTwT (talk) 13:40, December 4, 2019 (UTC)

Sensitive summer
Sensitive Summer

Gunjou Breath

Neighbor

Would you be interested in translating any of these? (Not quite requests) SolarTwT (talk) 18:04, December 10, 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, I like all of these so I'll give them a shot.

Migu39 (talk) 23:39, December 10, 2019 (UTC)

Great! Looking forward to them (especially Gunjou Breath :,)) SolarTwT (talk) 11:35, December 11, 2019 (UTC)

Sensitive Summer is done. Neighbor will be next then I'll finish up with Breath.

Migu39 (talk) 02:58, December 16, 2019 (UTC)


 * Alright! Thanks for the translation! Btw, you forgot to add Lavender to your translation list. SolarTwT (talk) 06:44, December 16, 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, somehow I had missed that one. Neighbor is done now too. I'll post any notes/thoughts I have on the songs after Breath is done.

Migu39 (talk) 03:15, December 24, 2019 (UTC)

No problems, thanks for the translation! SolarTwT (talk) 10:02, December 24, 2019 (UTC)

Breath is finally done now. It turned out to be more challenging than I had originally thought. To me it seems to be written in a more impersonal almost stream of consciousness like form where many of the lines don't seem connected, and a lot of it I went with a more literal approach since it's fairly poetic and open to interpretation. I feel like one of the themes might be youth and dealing with all the emotions and challenges that come with it. 群青 is "ultramarine" and 青 is blue/green but also associated with being ripe or young like in 青年・青春. That's the impression I get from it anyway. The other songs are much more straightforward so I don't think there is much to add on those, but if you want to know anything in particular I could answer that.

Migu39 (talk) 18:25, January 4, 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you so much! I thought something similar as well. Youth and growing up. I'm not completely sure, but 青 could also refer to being naive/innocent. Depends on the interpretation. Anyway, thank you once again! Happy New Year!
 * SolarTwT (talk) 20:06, January 4, 2020 (UTC)

Eureka
Do you mind checking this translation when you have time? I think there are some instances where the phrasing is a bit awkward. SolarTwT (talk) 09:16, December 16, 2019 (UTC)

It's translated very literally, so it doesn't read like natural English most of the time. I think it has some mistranslations too, although some of it is correct but just awkwardly written. It seems like a difficult song to make sense of, at least to me. Maybe there is some background I'm missing since I'm not familiar with the producer's work.

Migu39 (talk) 20:53, December 18, 2019 (UTC)


 * I don't think there is a background though. It seems to be like one of those story/fairytale-like songs. It *could* be connected to the producer's other works (like this one) but since a lot of them don't have translations yet, I can't say.
 * For now, I think it'll be fine if the obvious mistranslations were corrected.

SolarTwT (talk) 02:22, December 19, 2019 (UTC)

Gimmie Gimmie
Thanks for the translation, just wanted to let you know the pageviews would be at 400, not 405 and not need updating til 410k for future reference :'D~Raine

Is there a specific rule that you guys like to follow for when to update views? I feel like I've seen them updated in various ways but I'm not sure if there is some poilcy around it or not.

Migu39 (talk) 23:50, December 23, 2019 (UTC)

It usually goes by tens/move the 0, like, 100, 1,000, 11,000, 110,000, 120,000 I believe but you could try to double check with Amandelen to be sure

Kami o Kiru (request)
https://vocaloidlyrics.fandom.com/wiki/%E9%AB%AA%E3%82%92%E5%88%87%E3%82%8B_%28Kami_o_Kiru%29

The thumbnail actually looks like the girl from Kuchi o Tsuku with a diff haircut (i assume the title has something to do with 'haircut') so possible the songs are connected too :'D~Raine

This one is done now. The songs are definitely connected, the producer has the NicoNico reference to Kuchi in the comments and mentions that they uploaded this song on the same date and time as that other one back in 2018. It seems to have a similar theme too, probably about a relationship that went bad.

Migu39 (talk) 21:47, January 17, 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, could you translate the title, too? :'D~Raine Edit: Ah, sorry for bothering you so much about this again, but I just noticed there's some words that flash at the very beginning of the song, can you translate that too or is it not really relevant/just repeated lyrics/ random famous quotes?~Raine

It says something like "This assumption was wrong from the start" and "This day that will continue unchanging forever...". I think the first is a reference to the previous song, where it talks about things being a mistake (probably the relationship) and the second might be a reference to this song when it talks about time stopping. Then there is a line about "if I were to cut (something, probably their hair which is probably just a metaphor for the relationship)...". So it does add a little more but doesn't really say anything new.

Migu39 (talk) 14:47, January 19, 2020 (UTC)

十七才
Could you translate the "このままでは、大人になってしまうよ. " description/author's comment for that page please? :(

I updated it now.

Migu39 (talk) 23:00, January 7, 2020 (UTC)

Doesn't it sound more along the lines of, "The way we are now, that's how we wind up growing up" (like it's a bad thing). ElectricRaichu (talk) 23:32, January 7, 2020 (UTC)

It's possible it's referring to a more general time period and the way I put it is too restrictive. I imagined it could have been referencing waiting for the figurative train the lyrics talk about, as in that moment when they are going into adulthood. I don't think it has to be a bad thing either, just that it is something that is going to happen that isn't controllable. If you think there is some way it could be said better feel free to change it.

Migu39 (talk) 18:11, January 8, 2020 (UTC)

Pokapoka no Hoshi
https://vocaloidlyrics.fandom.com/wiki/ぽかぽかの星_(Pokapoka_no_Hoshi)

A trending page. If you have the time, consider translating it!

This one is done now. It's a nice song, comforting like a warm drink on a cold day.

Migu39 (talk) 12:20, January 24, 2020 (UTC)