Talk:Amandelen/2015

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Shirotae
I am so very sorry, but I cannot find the lyrics for Shirotae (White Cloak), I've checked all over YouTube and Google and nothing. This one's a real toughy especially cause I usually leave the lyrics on a blank page and hope for someone to edit it. As for that Spanish song, I would finish it, but I don't know Spanish well enough to completely translate it in English. Very sorry indeed am I

Nomura97

hello there!
hi! i'm the editor of the bluff liar page that you asked to make an account. i actually already had a couple days after making the edit, i just didn't get back to you until now! i'm sorry about that! ^^' Kiripyon (talk) 18:19, January 29, 2015 (UTC)

aww, thank you!! and don't worry, you didn't spoil anything. :') thank you for telling me! if i need any help, i'll ask you. ^^

-- Kiripyon (talk) 00:06, January 31, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for notifying me
Hi ! Well thank you for notifying me about the duplicate page I made yesterday and it's okay if you deleted it I understand.

TheKashirader (talk) 08:03, February 19, 2015 (UTC)

Re: About uploading images
*sighs* well, I understand. Good bye.

Koogers17 (talk) 19:46, February 19, 2015 (UTC)

Chinese to English Translations
Hi~! Thank you for welcoming me to VocaloidLyricsWiki!

I'm a Chinese speaker, and came across some songs featuring Tianyi/YANHE/Xin Hua that I can translate into English, but only certain lines. Am I allowed to only translate those lines (since those are the ones I can read and be able to interpret accurately), or should I leave it to someone who can translate everything at once? Thanks!

CaiyinMusic (talk) 11:51, March 11, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for inviting me to join.
Thanks for inviting me to join this wiki. I wasn't sure whether I could join easily or not, but I'd be glad to contribute in whatever way is helpful to the group. ElectricRaichu (talk) 07:31, March 24, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. I don't mind linking to an image on photobucket, but I can't seem to be able to do it. I uploaded my personal logo because the site pretty much asked me to do it. (If it's not allowed, then why did it ask me!?!?) But now that it's deleted, I can't figure out how to insert an image from photobucket. ElectricRaichu (talk) 09:09, March 25, 2015 (UTC)

I added a page for a song. Would you mind checking that it's OK? I didn't know what to do with the color and image fields so I left them blank. ElectricRaichu (talk) 09:43, March 26, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply and for sussing out my first page. About the points you raised ...


 * 1) Viewcount: I left it out coz I kinda didn't see the point in something that gets out of date. I guess it's a useful statistic, but maybe it should say " as at " ...
 * 2) Image: I understand what it is, but I don't have permission to use it. I got permission from the artist for my own site, but I'd have to ask again to see if I can use it here. (It's from pixiv which allows hotlinking via an HTML script tag, but I don't think you can add that to wiki code.)
 * 3) Color: I wasn't sure what colours to pick. How do you decide ... or can you pick at random?

ElectricRaichu (talk) 06:50, March 27, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for tidying up after me. I'm still kinda new at this. Tell me, can we add links to covers of songs? ElectricRaichu (talk) 09:26, April 2, 2015 (UTC)

Sorry that's a bit unclear. I mean if there's a page for an original Vocaloid song, can we add a link on that page to covers of the song by other Vocaloids or by human artists? For example, Asami Shimoda's cover of Daughter of Evil, or Len's cover of Dog Day Afternoon. ElectricRaichu (talk) 10:53, April 2, 2015 (UTC)

I noticed someone edited "Niconico" to "Nicovideo" and someone else on a different page edited "Niconico" to "Nicovideo"! There seem to be two different conventions running around ... Although the url says "nicovideo", the name of the site is Niconico Douga, so I think "Niconico" is prefereable IMHO. Either way though, is it possible to standardize this? I know this is a wiki and this is one of the inherent problems, but is it possible for the site admins to come to a decision and broadcast it to all users? ElectricRaichu (talk) 22:56, April 4, 2015 (UTC)

Hey um what's the "intervention required" category for? Thanks for noticing a query I had about it and fixing it, but it'd be nice to know what it's for so I know whether to put it in or delete it. According to the guidelines, it's seems to be a duplicate of the translation needed category, so I don't know how they differ. BTW are there any other category tags I should be familiar with that aren't mentioned in the guidelines? ElectricRaichu (talk) 21:43, April 11, 2015 (UTC)

In the song page for トゥインクル (Twinkle), the image does not appear, but it appears in references to the page, e.g., Junky songs list. Same thing happens for ZIGG-ZAGG, and the opposite for ノスタルジア (Nostalgia). ElectricRaichu (talk) 06:05, April 28, 2015 (UTC)

Any update on image display problem? It still seems to be happening. ElectricRaichu (talk) 00:03, May 1, 2015 (UTC)

要怎樣知到新加入的歌在那 ?
To know how the new songs in that? Aa9860602 (talk)

i mean in wiki content - top categories - vocaloid original songs for now 5499Aa9860602 (talk) 19:02, April 3, 2015 (UTC) Future new song added On that find?? 我的意思是在维基上的内容 - 顶部类别 - VOCALOID原创歌曲，现在5499Aa9860602 (talk) 19:02, April 3, 2015 (UTC)未来的新曲加在那找到??

Nicovideo --> Niconico??
Hi ! I think "Niconico Broadcast" is better, as you said, it's the name of the site. I think you could use a bot but I know nothing about them. Can you do that ?

Thank you =)

Rachinaf (talk) 12:11, April 5, 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for your helping!
Thanks a lot for your improvements on 変身 (Henshin)/Nishijima Thorndique. I learned from it :D Pepo-tokyo (talk) 14:30, April 17, 2015 (UTC)

About arrangement/remix
Hi Random~

I have a little doubt. Official arrangements/remixes not uploaded in producer's official channel can be added in the music page? BYEEEEEEEEEE

DisaPP (talk) 22:51, April 30, 2015 (UTC)

this is a very late reply, but thank you!
Dear RandomVocaloidLover,

thank you for telling me about the image hosting. i didn't know, and i'll remove the broken link and reupload the image to a photo hosting site if i decide to use it again. sorry for the bother!

Kiripyon (talk) 10:05, May 1, 2015 (UTC)

Image issues
Good morning,

As you noticed recently, many images on your community are not currently displaying correctly. Unfortunately, due to a server misconfiguration, the images appear to have been lost from our servers.

We are going to try and restore everything that we can using a variety of methods, but we are not confident that we’ll be able to restore all of them. We will keep you up to date with our progress on this.

We understand this will be quite frustrating, and we are very, very sorry for this issue. In our research, we have discovered that the number of affected communities is very low (only eight in total), and this is not something that should ever occur again.

Apologies again, and please let us know if you have any questions! Kirkburn (talk) 17:33, May 6, 2015 (UTC)


 * Hey since you've been re-uploading some of them, probably you should try to find out if uploading them again from our end will make it easier or harder for them. ElectricRaichu (talk) 08:27, May 7, 2015 (UTC)

Hello again!

After several rounds of work, we were able to restore a fair number of your images, but others have continued to elude us. Beyond normal image restoration, some images were restored using smaller versions (the largest we were able to find).

I've made a list here - User:Kirkburn/lists - it is a list of the images that remain missing, and of the images for which we were only able to restore thumbnails.

We don't anticipate being able to restore any more images, unfortunately - but I hope these lists will help you replace any that are still in active use.

Apologies again for these troubles! Kirkburn (talk) 19:19, May 26, 2015 (UTC)

Re: About the translation you added to アストロノーツ (Astronauts)
Hello, I've received your letter about the translation that I've been adding to the Astronauts page.

I did not use MeidoSr or whatever it was you said, and I just wanted an English translation, and I thought the one I wrote up was not too bad.

Nekumo (talk) 12:09, May 15, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice, though, and for looking into it again. Sorry for the trouble.

Nekumo (talk) 14:06, May 15, 2015 (UTC)

Pocaloid Users?
Hi !

I think it's better to remove those pages, in my opinion, we shouldn't promote in any way the use of Pocaloid. Thank you for asking. =)

Rachinaf (talk) 09:27, May 23, 2015 (UTC)

I agree that we should remove pages for songs created using any cracked versions of the software, since we don't want to promote anything illegal. Plus morally, it takes a lot of time, money and effort to produce something of the quality of Vocaloid, and they creators deserve to be paid for it.

However, I would want to be sure that the song was produced that way. If the producer admits that they use it or it has been proved in a court case, then I definitely agree. If the only evidence you have is that someone happened to make an allegation, well, anyone can do that to anyone else. I'm not sure it's justifiable to delete pages based on what amounts to gossip.

ElectricRaichu (talk) 02:35, May 24, 2015 (UTC)

You mentioned a couple of videos made by Keitaro, but they're from 2011 which is around the time he started posting, so it's possible he was only using Pocaloid to try it out. Does this producer still use it now? Were the songs that have been posted on this site produced using cracked software?

You mentioned Pocaloid 2 vs Pocaloid 3, but sorry I'm not sure what you're getting at.

Another approach that you might consider is contacting Keitaro directly and putting this way. Explain that lyrics to some of his songs have been posted on this site and ask whether he objects. If he objects, then you have separate reason for taking them down. You can also venture to say that you heard somewhere that some of his songs were produced by cracked software, but we don't want any risk of this site being targeted by legal action, so could he tell us if any of them were so we can remove those ones to be safe.

Don't get too stressed over it though.

ElectricRaichu (talk) 11:18, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

I agree with ElectricRaichu, and don't stress too much !

Rachinaf (talk) 15:06, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

Main page CharPortals
Hi !

Yes, I think it's best to delete it. ^^ I'm not sure, but I think this template is useless as well.

I also have a question / suggestion : why (in the Song Infobox template) the line "Description" isn't colored and put in the middle like the others ? I think it would be more clear this way, the thing is that it will look weird on pages without description. Tell me what you think. =)

Thank you !

Rachinaf (talk) 09:15, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

I think it would be too complicated and confusing to have two Infoboxes. It would be better in my opinion if "Description" was colored, but only if it's filled. I tried, it wasn't hard to put colors on "Description", but I can't make it disappear if there's nothing... It's here...

I think an album only songs category would be useful. =)

Disambiguations are great too, if you need any help with these, let me know !

Rachinaf (talk) 18:47, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

I'll try to translate Jekyll & Hyde ! The reason I stopped translating was that I wasn't confident in my Japanese and my English, but I think I can do good enough if you or ElectricRaichu help me. ^^

I'll do more research for the infobox, I'll tell you if I find anything better.

Since we're in the sharing mood, I had two others ideas on my mind : the first one was to improve the search of songs by putting some flags on the main page, which would lead to the language corresponding.

The other one was to "standardize" the Highlighted songs, by doing a kind of pattern, we could make a lot more and it would be more interesting, I think.

EDIT : I undone the template change, something is wrong on some pages : デッドアンドシーク_(Dead_and_Seek) for example.

Rachinaf (talk) 20:09, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Thank you in advance for your help ! =)

I don't know what we can do with the Cantonese flag (maybe have to Chinese flag, but having the different language as a "picture legend" who would appear when the mouse stays on it ? I'm sorry, I don't know how to explain clearly). For the "nonsensical lyrics", we could make a flag with a "?" maybe ?

I'll work on something for the highlighted pages ^^

I think a new layout would be good, show me your ideas when you'll have some. But I agree, it can wait.

Rachinaf (talk) 08:02, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

I have a little issue with the Infobox : for it to works, we need to add "description=" (even if it's empty to every edited page, because it's now a part of the code. Is that a big issue ?

Do you want me to begin the flags ?

I also tried something for highlighted songs, it's still drafts though.

Rachinaf (talk) 11:16, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

There is now something like on every page. I think I can remove it anyway (I'll try right now).

Thank you if you upload the flags, but take your time, I already have a lot of things to do and don't want to bother. =)

Rachinaf (talk) 11:27, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

So, I finished the flags, what do you think ? I added one for Esperanto. I tried to sort them following the number of songs we have.

I also fixed the issue with the Description, it's now a title like the others but stay empty even if it's empty. =)

Rachinaf (talk) 16:22, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

That way ? =)

And what do you think about the model for highlighted song I did ? I'm not sure which pieces of information I should had to make them more "attractive".

And also, I made some months ago a list with songs with more than 100,000+ but don't have a page here. I could maybe put it in a blog post to help users who don't know wich page to create ? Or maybe it's useful only for me...

Rachinaf (talk) 16:50, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

I translated Jekyll&Hyde, is the English correct ?

I posted my list, I'll keep it updated as much as I can. =)

And so, do you agree to put the new pattern for highlighted song pattern ? Isn't the shadow on the text too much ? (I still can work on something new if you don' tlike it too much, don't be afraid to tell me. ^^)

Rachinaf (talk) 17:21, June 1, 2015 (UTC)

Electric Angel Kagamine Version
One way is to list multiple version in tabs like Sora ni Todoku Suna no Yama, but label them clearly, for example, Miku (original) and Kagamine (derivative). IMHO this method would only be applicable for when there significant original contribution as with Electric Angel, not for a simple cover.

Otherwise, just like there's an External Links section, we could have a list of links headed Covers.

Alternatively, we could do what Vocaloid Wiki does and have a section with detailed information about each cover/derivative in a compact layout.

A problem with the last two options is that some songs have a dozen or more covers, some not particularly significant (such as the original set of Kagamine covers of Electric Angel, which you may not even have heard of). Does Vocaloid Wiki have any criteria for selecting covers/derivatives, or do they list everything that any contributor is aware of? Given what I've seen, it appears to be the latter.

I personally don't mind listing info on covers/derivatives so long as it's compact, concise and tastefully arranged.

If you prefer to limit it to significant works, then we need to define criteria, e.g., a different musical arrangement, or a signicant artistic work (such as a new animation--e.g. Cantarella--or a dance--e.g., Melochin's dance to Happy Synthesizer), or say 100K+ hits.

We would have to decide whether to include human and human/vocaloid covers. Some are quite notable, e.g., Kashitaro's cover of The Boy and the Magical Robot has over 400K hist on both NND and YT, and 96neko/Len duet for Cat's Life has almost 1M on NND and over 1.5M hits on YT.

ElectricRaichu (talk) 09:39, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Kazucha --> Kazutya
Hi. In their producer's website and twitter is Kazutya, no Kazucha. I believe it's necessary to change the page name.

DisaPP (talk) 00:04, June 12, 2015 (UTC)

Naming Policy for non-English words?
Hi, thanks for the tip about colouring lyrics. I'll try it out next time.

With the title of シロップ (Syrup), I originally kept it "Shiroppu" because it's not derived from English, it comes from Dutch "siroop". I can appreciate some value in writing English words in actual English instead of Romaji, but does that extend to other languages? In other words, if a song title uses a non-Japanese word regardless of whether it's English or not, should always translate it to English?

I think it's rare, but just something to be aware of, and probably we should deal with it on a case-by-case basis. (If I had made the title シロップ (Siroop), it would have confused everyone ...!) ElectricRaichu (talk) 08:33, June 15, 2015 (UTC)

Ah, so シロップ (Siroop) is what actually follows the policy. OK, that's good to know. Thanks for fixing. ElectricRaichu (talk) 07:16, June 16, 2015 (UTC)

New Forums
Hey RandomVocaloidLover,

I saw that the forums on this wiki have never been used. I was wondering if I could switch them over to the new forum style. You can see what the new forum style looks like here. Let me know what you think!

The         P K  ( Wall • Guestbook  ) 18:13, June 29, 2015 (UTC)

Moved song
I changed 電子 (Denpa) to 電子 (Denshi). Could you check I did the move right and please let me know if I did anything wrong? I think the wiki said something about it creating a redirection from the old name but I think that should be deleted.

FYI 電子 is denshi "electron". Denpa "electromagnetic wave" is written 電波, and anyway the phonetics at the top of the image says denshi.

ElectricRaichu (talk) 08:10, July 1, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Sorry orz
Its ok, im new to doing this and was kind of stuck for abit of how to do certain things so i dont mind really, I just wanted someone to put the lyrics up there already. I do plan on learning how to do things and posting other things soon if i could figure things out

LenTyrant (talk) 22:22, July 4, 2015 (UTC)

Composer Categories
Hi !

EletricRaichu and I have a little issue : as you can see here and here, we don't know if only the music composer category should be added to a page, or even the lyricist and illustrator and so on.

What do you think about that ?

Rachinaf (talk) 08:13, July 18, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I think you told me that we don't add the illustrator, but I was under the impression we add songs to the lyricist's category, but I've also noticed that this isn't consistently applied.

I think the "little issue" is that my personal preference is to add categories for everyone credited, but please let us know the normal practice. I'm happy to follow whatever we usually do, but FWIW I think for a lyrics wiki, it makes sense to categorize the lyricist.

ElectricRaichu (talk) 11:18, July 18, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. Makes sense not cluttering categories. Let's wait for Rachinaf's reponse, but the bottom line from your point of view is we categorize composer, lyricist and arranger only, is that right?

ElectricRaichu (talk) 22:42, July 18, 2015 (UTC)

I agree with RandomVocaloidLover, if we add too many people, it will be "too much", but I also think adding the lyricist/arranger will confuse people. I personally always thought the categories were made only for the composer. I think it's easier when people discover a new artist, to be able to find his own song, and not the one he either arranged or wrote the lyrics for.

Another issue is : should we then add new categories for the lyricists ?

Rachinaf (talk) 08:28, July 19, 2015 (UTC)

Ah, I think I see now. I likewise just kinda assumed that categorization would be for both composer and lyricist since to me they're equally important. It's probably how different people appreciate music. If I like someone's lyrics, I'd want to look for their other songs, but maybe Rachinaf tends to focus on the music instead. So it might come down to personal tastes more than anything else.

In any case, I mainly want to identify the current practice so I know what to do when I submit a song. From the sound of it, it's composer only. I'd love to include lyricist (lyrics are really significant to me) but if most existing songs don't categorize by lyricist then as Rachinaf points out it would be a lot of work to check 6000+ pages to make them all consistent ...

I feel a bit bad for creating a bit of confusion here, but I guess the "training" I got didn't really cover this issue. Maybe you just decide what to do and add a sentence to the guidelines.

ElectricRaichu (talk) 09:11, July 19, 2015 (UTC)

It would be long to change every page... But I thought about something, what we add a new type of category like "KidP original lyrics" ? So we could find his song, and the song he composed the lyrics for. Is that weird ? It's the better solution I found anyway.

Rachinaf (talk) 08:44, July 20, 2015 (UTC)

Portable Infoboxes
We’re reaching out to a few of the admins our top communities, hoping to get you on board with the migration to the new infobox markup. And we have tools to help!

Why we’re doing this

Simply put: Most current infobox structure translates very poorly to mobile experiences, and indeed any device that doesn’t use desktop-style displays. On desktops and laptops, they often look amazing. The problem is that Wikia’s traffic is trending mobile.

There is an important graph from our forum post about infoboxes a couple weeks back, and I want to share it here as well:

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Mobile is the future. Not just for Wikia, but for the web as a whole. Take a look at the recent trends and future growth predictions for mobile traffic - it's staggering.

We partnered with the Wikia community to create this new markup to make sure that your hard work can be displayed on mobile devices (as well as any future technologies) easily and without any new coding conventions. It’ll take some effort up front, to be sure, but we’re here to help, and the work you put in now will pay for itself tenfold in the future.

Tools we’ve designed to ease the process

We’ve enabled two new features on your community. One is a tool for migrating the “old” infobox code to the new markup. It identifies templates on your wikia that look like infobox templates and places a box on the right rail of the template page. When you click the “Generate draft markup” button in this box, it opens a new tab containing a draft of your infobox using the new markup.

The second is a new feature on Special:Insights that will highlight which infoboxes on your wikia have not been migrated to the new infobox markup. It’s fairly intuitive - you can click on the infobox title link itself to see the old markup, or simply click the “Convert!” button on the right, which performs the same action as the “Generate draft markup” button.

This is our help page for the new markup. I’ll help get things rolling by converting a template or two as an example if you’d like me to, as well as watching this site for any questions. http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/central/images/f/f1/Pineapple_u86.gif The  P K ( Wall • Guestbook ) http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/central/images/a/ae/Mudkip.png 00:04, July 23, 2015 (UTC)

Portable Infoboxes
Hey !

It's ok, let me know when you have more news ^^

I wanted to ask you, have you some infos about bots ? Because I thought that with a bot, we could have fixed the pages with "bad" producer categories (like the one written the a "...-P" instead of "...P". It's not a real issue though.

Also, I don't know much about disambiguations, but I thought one with "Hello" / "ハロー" and "Fly" would be useful. =)

Rachinaf (talk) 09:28, July 23, 2015 (UTC)

Two songs with similar names.
There's a song I translated a while back, キミガスキ (Kimi ga Suki). Today I added a song きみがすき (Kimi ga Suki). The only difference in the title is hiragana vs katakana. I don't know what to do about disambiguation ... ElectricRaichu (talk) 07:31, July 26, 2015 (UTC)

I've added a second song called Kagerō, so now there's かげろう (Kagerō) and 陽炎 (Kagerō), as well as other songs that have Kagerou in their name like カゲロウデイズ (Kagerou Days). I think we should add a disambiguation. To be more specific, could you add one because I don't know how to do it? ElectricRaichu (talk) 03:48, October 4, 2015 (UTC)

Now that you mentioned it, I recall noticing that you added some instructions on disambiguation, but it completely slipped my mind today. Sorry about that, but hopefully it'll be easier for me to remember next time. I found having examples in the other sections a great help, so I added an example to the disambiguation instructions also. Please check it when you get the time. ElectricRaichu (talk) 09:54, October 4, 2015 (UTC)

Romaji Lyrics from Vocaloid Wiki
Please be careful about using romaji lyrics from Vocaloid Wiki. New members are posting wrong romaji lyrics. They obviously use machine translators and can't tell the mistakes. I'm sending messages them not to use machine translators. When you use romaji from Vocaloid Wiki, please check if the transliteration was done by a reliable person. Damesukekun (talk) 15:29, July 28, 2015 (UTC)

Sora no SAKANA Translation
You said that Tatenia is a mistranslator, but I looked over the translation and it seemed accurate to me?

Are they well-known for incorrect translations/trolling/not being knowledgable about Japanese, or was it more incorrect than I thought?

Thanks,

Kiripyon (talk) 17:37, July 29, 2015 (UTC)

Distinguishing lyrics of different versions
Holy Valentine has two different version, one sung by Rin and one by Len. I marked the differences in lyrics using colour side by side with common text in black:

 女の子 僕だけ のValentine Day

I think it might be clearer if I stack them like this in the one table cell?

 女の子のValentine Day 僕だけのValentine Day

Or do you have any other suggestions?

ElectricRaichu (talk) 10:32, August 7, 2015 (UTC)

Hello
hello. i'm just joined this wiki. a random vocaloid lover like you.

but, can i save some of photos from this wiki? my fear of copyright always haunt me a lot.

thx.:) Need this wiki (talk) 12:02, August 11, 2015 (UTC)

Romaji Transliterations
This wiki is becoming an unreliable source with wrong romaji lyrics. Many contributors seem to use machine romaji converters, but machine converters make many mistakes. They are negligent to consonant changes in compound words. I ask you to provide a tutorial like this for contributors. Many teen girls believe machine romaji is correct. :( Damesukekun (talk) 08:29, August 25, 2015 (UTC)


 * I also request that Vaderheldlyrics NOT be used as a source. She makes tons of grave mistakes. Damesukekun (talk) 08:35, August 25, 2015 (UTC)


 * Yeah I often see romaji errors, and I've been correcting them as I get time, and occasionally I've seen others make corrections too, but the few people around who can do it properly can't possibly check everything. One advantage of a wiki is that it's easy to correct mistakes, but the disadvantage is that it's also easy to enter garbage. I think the situation is that the rate at which errors are introduced might be greater than the rate at which they are noticed and corrected.


 * I don't think we can eliminate the problem altogether (I've made mistakes too) but at least are there better ways that we can inform people, that:


 * 1) either they know enough Japanese to be sure the romaji are correct, or
 * 2) they have obtained the transliteration from a reliable source.
 * For example,


 * When adding a new song, is it possible to put up a message automatically?
 * When a new user registers, can the home page template have some relevant information?
 * When a new IP address attempts to add or edit a page, can the site pop up a notification?
 * Can we send an automatic (or manual) reminder to all members once a year about this and other guidelines?
 * I'm not really sure what's possible or easy, so I'm just throwing up ideas. ElectricRaichu (talk) 10:28, August 25, 2015 (UTC)


 * A related issue. There's a strange romaji style that some people seem to follow where they capitalize all katakana words. Damesukekun has been fixing changing them to lower case whenever he edits a page, so I was wondering if it's OK for me to follow his example whenever I happen to edit a page?


 * I can understand people doing it in cases where the word is not normally written in katakana if other formatting isn't available, but nowadays people should use italics for those situations. However, people use upper case for words commonly written in katakana so it defeats the purpose.


 * Anyway, please let me know if it's OK to change katakana romaji to normal case. ElectricRaichu (talk) 09:04, August 27, 2015 (UTC)


 * About には ... Every single textbook and reference I have read to date treats ni wa as two words, because wa can be added to almost anything. You don't treat ashita wa or boku wa as a compound so why ni wa?


 * However, I've since done a bit of investigation, and it seems that Japanese 国語 dictionaries do treat ni wa, ni mo, etc. as compound words.


 * Believe it or not, there are two ways of understanding Japanese grammar, one invented by the Japanese and one by Europeans. As a European, the European approach seems more obvious and natural to me, but--as with any method of describing any natural language with a finite set of rules--there are pros and cons to any approach.


 * There are other cases (e.g., soredemo) where it could be taken as a phrase or a as compound and it may be a personal choice. If in doubt you can refer to a dictionary.


 * There are also other differences in style that you'll see, e.g., what to do with contractions. English speakers often use apostrophes in contractions, so to make it blatantly obvious to readers that e.g. shiteru is a contraction of shite iru, I write it shite'ru. I've seen variation in this and other contractions, so again it's a personal choice.


 * Another common contraction is n for no. I write n as a separate word to make it really clear what is meant, e.g., sou na n da (= sou na n[o] da), but some join it to the previous word sou nan da. I don't recommend that because most people using this site are not that good at Japanese and might confuse nan da = na no da with nan da = 何だ since both occur commonly.


 * Yet one more issue I have is the odd mixture of romanization method in use. People mix Japanese input romaji with pronunciation romaji. を wo is pronounced "o", but people commonly write it "wo", but on the other hand, when は ha is pronounced "wa", they write it "wa". To be consistent in method, you should either write "wo" and "ha", or write "o" and "wa". If you are explaining how to spell something, you should use Japanese input style. If you are explaining how something is pronounced, you should express the pronunciation. I think the purpose of this wiki is the latter--it's showing someone who is not familiar with Japanese how the lyrics are pronounced. I can't see how to show how to enter the lyrics using a Japanese IME! Very few people appreciate this, so they continue to write in a strange mixture of the two methods.


 * Anyway, sorry for a long post, but to reach a conclusion, I try to follow the following principles:
 * Accept that different writers have their own preferences for their own reasons.
 * If I'm making small amendments to romaji, I will follow the existing style, but if it needs lots of amendments, I'll follow my own preferred style (especially if I'm copying from something I've written elsewhere--it would be too much work to change the style).
 * If the style is inconsistent throughout the page (e.g., I've seen を written "wo" in one place and "o" in another), then if I have time, I'll try to make it consisent everywhere.
 * Having said that, I prefer to make things as clear as possible for a non-Japanese speaker.


 * So getting back to には, it looks like two conventions exist, so it's not a big deal and I would treat both as acceptable. Personally I think ni wa is clearer to the reader because it literally means nothing more than ni followed by wa, while niwa could also mean "garden" or "2 birds" lol.
 * ElectricRaichu (talk) 21:47, August 28, 2015 (UTC)

Hello!

i have a small question...

if i am going to post lyrics for 2 songs but they have the same title... Literally. Same title but diff tune.

how do i name them? Should i put up the name of the creator then or what.. halp

Gene.infinity (talk) 12:50, August 28, 2015 (UTC)

Deletions by random unnamed visitors
This time Koneko no Paya Paya got hacked with the romaji getting deleted, but Umbreon126 quickly reverted it. Other times I've noticed the original lyrics getting deleted. Have you noticed whether it's the same person or few people? If so is it possible to block them? We can revert damage to a page every now and then (even if it's annoying), but if someone's doing this maliciously, then like give them an hour and they could wreak havoc. ElectricRaichu (talk) 09:54, September 21, 2015 (UTC)

I can't remember if I suggested this or not, but is it possible to limit edits to this wiki by people who have actually joined and have a named account? Currently it's trivial for anyone to edit a page and delete stuff. If they are forced to get an account first, then it's not hard to do, but it's an extra bit of effort that might deter some people. ElectricRaichu (talk) 12:16, October 7, 2015 (UTC)

The protection features don't seem to be designed for our particular problem. It seems like they're there to help with people getting fired up about something and to give them a chance to cool down. I agree that blocking editing by unnamed accounts has the problem of making it harder to get new users&mdash;my first edit was as an unnamed visitor&mdash;and it does not prevent vandalism if one is intent on it since it's easy to register. However, your hypothesis is that people are doing it for personal convenience, not to deliberately vandalize. In that case maybe the additional step of having to register will be enough to either deter them&mdash;&mdash;or make them think twice&mdash;&mdash;. For our situation, we really need to try it for a longer period, like one or two weeks, to see what happens.

Another suggestion but I don't know if it's possible, is it possible for a warning to appear when someone edits a page? E.g., this page has the warning at the top, "This is a talk page. Please remember to sign your posts using four tildes ... or the signature button". Not sure what we could say though or if it's even possible, but we can also put in a warning about not adding inaccurate translations at the same time. ElectricRaichu (talk) 22:17, October 8, 2015 (UTC)

English Translation Source
Please be careful about using Marvelangga and other Animelyrics translations. They make grave mistranslations not a few times. Damesukekun (talk) 05:02, September 23, 2015 (UTC)

Template:Toggle
I thought you should know that it looks like Template:Toggle and the code at MediaWiki:Common.js (which Template:Toggle relies on) are unused, so deleting them should be considered (I say this because useless JavaScript only makes pages take longer to load for nothing). —umbreon 126 07:36, October 5, 2015 (UTC)

Template:Toggle
Hey ! I don't really know what Toggle is, but if it's useless we should delete it. =)

Rachinaf (talk) 18:43, October 5, 2015 (UTC)

Hello
Hello! Just wanted to say hi since you seem to be the primary uploader of my lyrics to this wikia ^^;  I just got a wikia account and hope to keep it up to date with translations I have uploaded to my blog, so I just wanted to give you a head's up in case you found constantly going to my site to find a lack of updates frustrating. Thanks for your support (though I admit, I didn't know my translations were here until I started looking at where my site's visitors were coming from), and ... I can't imagine how much work it takes to be Admin on this giant site, but thanks for everything you do for the Vocaloid community in general ^o^

(Sorry, I'm new to wikia in general, and if the Talk page isn't the appropriate place for such messages, please let me know ._. )

Terracannon876 (talk) 23:01, October 6, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome T_T  I was actually really nervous last night about making my first edits since I wasn't sure if I botched something up (and I didn't like how the lines looked, so then I made another edit, and then I started worrying if I was spamming, lol). (This is also a test to see if this is how I reply to other's messages XD)

I'll try uploading my first new page tonight (or later in the week, whenever time permits), since I didn't see the other song I translated anywhere on the wikia. Though ... I don't think the artist is on the wikia at all either? *ponders*

Anyways, I look forward to contributing a bit to this wikia here and there \o/   See you around, maybe?

Terracannon876 (talk) 13:34, October 7, 2015 (UTC)

Regarding links and subbed videos
Hello! It's only my second day and I already have questions, lol.

One question is regarding my own translations. Is it OK if I put the link to my blog / relevant page on the pages marked "English Translation by terracannon876"? Also, is there a place I can put translation notes, or should I just leave that for my blog where people can visit if they're interested in that sort of thing?

Another question is regarding subbed videos. As I understand, usually you try to put up the original, official NicoNico videos (or YT videos, in the rare case they have an account). However, what about a subbed video that has permission from the original producer to be uploaded on YT? I think it's a bit weird to include it with the other "official" videos, especially since I can't be sure that other videos also have the same blessing from the original producer, but this one did, so...

Last question. What if I spot translation errors? Go ahead and fix them, and then if someone disagrees just let them use the revert option, or make notes in the comments?

Thanks for being patient ^^;

Terracannon876 (talk) 15:10, October 8, 2015 (UTC)

I'll make this quick since I have a feeling every one of the admins live halfway across the world from me lol. Thanks for answering the previous questions!

I have a new question regarding uploading images. Yesterday I tried to upload an image and it seems to have succeeded. But when I tried to embed the image in the info box for Kansan Hanabi it wouldn't appear though the image name matches. I then tried to upload the image again under the name again and wikia confirmed that the image was already up. Any tips here? :(

Terracannon876 (talk) 15:10, October 8, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for checking! It looks like Wikia is case-sensitive, so I'll just put a note on my page here for future reference... But seriously, making that one page, you guys really put a lot of work into this wikia O_o;  It reminded me of me making tables for my translations on my own blog ... and basically just how making tables in any script is not a very fun experience. Ngh, I bow to your dedication, lol.

Terracannon876 (talk) 16:39, October 8, 2015 (UTC)

email not confirmed message
Yesterday I got this message when I visited here:
 * Oh no! Your email address has not yet been confirmed. You should have a confirmation message in your inbox. Didn't get it? Click here and we'll send a new one. If you need to change your address, head to your Preferences page.

I followed the confirmation instructions to get rid of the message and it went away, but today it has reappeared. I think there must be a fault somewhere. I don't want to have to be confirming my email every day! ElectricRaichu (talk) 21:34, October 9, 2015 (UTC)

Yes I still get the message. I have a Yahoo email address. ElectricRaichu (talk) 08:24, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

ICBM
About the edit war on Senbonzakura 😄, I looked up ICBM in wikipedia and the Japanese word for "intercontinental ballistic missile" is 大陸間弾道ミサイル. So I'm kinda of the opinion that if the lyrics said 大陸間弾道ミサイル, then naturally it should be translated in full, but if the lyrics are using the abbreviation, then it's more faithful to translate it using the abbreviation. ElectricRaichu (talk) 08:36, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

If your worried about people not knowing what ICBM means, then I agree a footnote would be useful. ElectricRaichu (talk) 08:50, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

Asking a favour
Hi !

Don't worry, I will do that, and try to finish the template soon !

Have a good holyday !

If you need anything else, feel free to ask !

Rachinaf (talk) 19:46, October 25, 2015 (UTC)

So, I worked on the template, it's not really pretty because I can't code very well. But I have a problem, I thought it was possible for it to be put automatically when the "WIP" category is added to the page song, but I can't find the code / way to do that. (I tried to look on UTAU Lyrics Wikia because I'm pretty sure it's automatic, but their coding system is very different from ours... And I can't find anything on Community Central about that either.)

So for now, we have to add at the beginning of every page.

Rachinaf (talk) 08:35, October 27, 2015 (UTC)

I tried and ot works ! Yeah ! But I think it's impossible to do it the other way, I mean, to add the little frame when the song is added to the category... Hope your holydays were good =)

Rachinaf (talk) 13:15, November 2, 2015 (UTC)

やけくそ片想い (Yakekuso Kataomoi)
Hi !

I will try, don't worry, I'm here to help !

But still, I was wondering if we could let people create pages that way, I mean now that my holydays have ended, I can only make pages 3 days per week or so. It's already hard enough to finish all we have to do without having to transcribe lyrics from videos.

I am also against deleting pages, but if the person can't find the lyrics or take them from the video, the page shouldn't be created...

I don't mean to be mean or anything... Maybe we should open something like a request box, it will maybe be easier for everyone ?

Rachinaf (talk) 11:24, November 7, 2015 (UTC)

I think exactly the same !

I let you do the request thing, tell me if you need anything.

I'll try to finish the page this afternoon, it's SO hard to read ;-; But I think I can manage it. =)

Rachinaf (talk) 11:46, November 7, 2015 (UTC)

Wow, you were quick ! I can't see anything missing, it's perfect to me !

EDIT: I thought, maybe we need a case to know if someone is doing the page ? Something like "Request taken by ..." ? It would help us not to do the same things at the same time maybe.

Rachinaf (talk) 12:55, November 7, 2015 (UTC)

Deleting HAPPiLY GiRL?
Hi !

I couldn't find them either, same for Radiantly... I guess it's better to remove it rather than keep it forever with no lyrics.

It's nothing, I felt it should be done. =)

Rachinaf (talk) 21:03, November 9, 2015 (UTC)

Thank You
Hi. I'm new here. Thank you for correcting the following songs

1. 腐女子的恋爱理论 (Fǔnǚzǐ de Liàn'ài Lǐlùn) 2. 加速坠落 (Jiāsù Zhuìluò) 3. 花与风的赞美诗 (Huā Yǔ Fēng De Zànměishī) 4. 心的連接Connect (Xīn De Liánjiē Connect) 5. 百鬼繪卷 (Bǎi Guǐ Huì Juǎn) 6. 余音 (Yúyīn)

If you can, can you also correct 腐女子的恋爱理论 (Fǔnǚzǐ de Liàn'ài Lǐlùn) please? I've added a YouTube link to it. Coxal15 (talk) 17:21, November 12, 2015 (UTC)

I would like to say thank you for helping me out with editing. I really appreciate it.

Coxal15
Hi !

I blocked Coxal15 just for 2 hours because he/she was changing categories and pictures on pages without any reason / explanation.

Rachinaf (talk) 16:29, November 14, 2015 (UTC)

Thank you ! You did good, I acted quickly because I was panicked x)

Rachinaf (talk) 16:53, November 14, 2015 (UTC)

Yes, you can try I think ^^

Rachinaf (talk) 17:13, November 14, 2015 (UTC)

Thank you very much for telling me! I am very sorry I did not know, I will be very careful in the future! I apologise again for the trouble I have made, I am truly sorry. :(

Cubitato (talk) 20:45, November 18, 2015 (UTC)

OK, thank you very much! I will make sure to check everything in the future! I will be very careful, thank you very much! :)

Cubitato (talk) 20:57, November 18, 2015 (UTC)

Please check
Someone put up a YouTube link to 秘蜜〜白の誓い〜 but I undid the change because I believe it's an album-only song. Maybe you need to check it out and/or leave them a note. ElectricRaichu (talk) 06:42, November 24, 2015 (UTC)

Change name of image file
I added an image for 0630 but I accidentally called it 055.png instead of 0630.png. Unfortunately I couldn't find a UI for changing the name of the image file. ElectricRaichu (talk) 09:09, November 27, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for renaming, but I don't get the option for renaming. I just have Edit/History/Replace. Maybe only admins are allowed to do it. ElectricRaichu (talk) 21:14, November 27, 2015 (UTC)

Re:Album Only songs
Sorry. I'll try to see which are "Album Only" songs, and which are not. I'm just trying to help. Did I do good, though?

Coxal15 (talk) 12:26, December 6, 2015 (UTC)

I will. Thank you.

Okay. I'm sorry. I didn't know. Thanks for telling me.

Overwriting pages?
I couldn't help but notice that you arbitraliy over wrote a song that was here with something else. Why would you do that?

Anon 68.13.175.33

Uhm sorry but what do you mean? If you mean the page for Trick or Treat by Hitoshizuku-P, it's still here, the REDIRECT was just overwritten because I wanted to add a VOCALOID song with that name in those characters. We do that all the time when such a thing happens, but we just add a disambiguation to make sure that people can still find the page. If you mean Our World, then both pages are also still here. Please do not accuse me of randomly overwriting or deleting pages, since I wouldn't overwrite or delete a page without first discussing it unless Also, since you seem to have had trouble finding the page, I made a redirect for you here.
 * 1. It's obviously spam or
 * 2. We already have the page on the wiki.

If you meant something else, then please do feel free to point out what I did wrong in your eyes. If this cleared something up, then please leave me a message so that I know that you get it now. Thank you.

05:53, December 7, 2015 (UTC)

彩愛クレパス??
Hey !

According to the Hatsune Miku Wiki, it's "あやなくれぱす", so Ayana Kurepasu sounds good to me. I have no idea on how to write "Kurepasu", though, as it's supposed to be Crayon Pastel (I guess).

Rachinaf (talk) 07:01, December 15, 2015 (UTC)

The furigana for 彩愛 says あやな, so unless further information comes to light, I agree you should romanize it as Ayana.

クレパス (romanized Cray-Pas) seems to be a registered trade mark of Sakura Color Products Corporation: ja.wikipedia.org, gogen-allguide.com, kotobank.jp (sorry all in complex Japanese, I couldn't understand it all). EDICT translates it as "pastel crayons". Sakura on their English web site call them "oil pastels". Since they invented them, I'd probably romanize the title as "Ayana Cray-Pas" and translate it as "Colourful Oil Pastels". ElectricRaichu (talk) 21:23, December 15, 2015 (UTC)

ConstellationRailroad
I'm sorry to bother you, but can you remove ConstellationRailroad's translations? I checked his/her translations and have to say he/she obviously used machine translators. Damesukekun (talk) 04:39, December 16, 2015 (UTC)

Re:??
i deleeted the Solo Veo Rojo page because the song is no longer affiliated with me, the artist ot the masterer. it was an incorrect translation and bad usage of the editor. tbqh its en embarrassment for us all. so we want to abandon it al together

Zefurr (talk) 17:22, December 16, 2015 (UTC)zefurr

About dates
Hi !

I wanted to ask you about the writing of dates, because I always wrote them as : Jun.13.2009 (for example), but I saw you started writing them as Jun 13, 2009. Which is better ?

Also I wanted to say I'm sorry for not being as present as I used to be... I'm on holydays now so it will be better I hope.

Thank you ! Rachinaf (talk) 08:44, December 18, 2015 (UTC)

FYI the guidelines show the date format to use as "MONTH.X.20XX".

Thank you for your answer ! I understand =)

Rachinaf (talk) 15:22, December 18, 2015 (UTC)

CocoaCigarrete-P
The producer's name is CocoaSigarrete-P according to one of the.

Or GYARI (in their website and twitter). I think that has to change this category.

DisaPP (talk) 13:06, December 25, 2015 (UTC)