User talk:ElectricRaichu

Welcome
Hi, welcome to ! Thanks for your edit to the User talk:RandomVocaloidLover page.

Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! RandomVocaloidLover (talk) 07:31, March 24, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Thanks for inviting me to join.
Hello,

First of all, welcome to the wiki ^^. I hope to see more of you in the future.

Secondly, the message you got on your anon page is probably an automatic response that every anon gets when they make an edit to any wiki out there, much like the one above this message. I believe that you get this message from the most active admin on the wiki (which at that moment, would have been me). Those messages are something I don't really have control over ^^;. I don't mean to spoil anything, I just thought you should know orz.

On a completely different note, I saw you uploaded an image for personal use. This is against the wiki's Image Guideline, so I have to delete the image orz. However, if you still want the image up on your user page, I could upload it to my photobucket. In this way you can just put the link to it on the page and the image will appear. If you want this, you can just ask this ^^. Sorry for the inconvenience orz.

Anyway, if you have any questions or need help with anything, feel free to ask me. I am always willing to help you out ^^.

P.S. Sorry for writing a novel...

RandomVocaloidLover (talk) 14:08, March 24, 2015 (UTC)

To insert an image from photobucket, you have to do the following: First, click on the image you'd like to link to. After you've clicked the image, something like this should show up on your display. On the right side of this screen, there is a part which says "SHARE LINKS" with four links under it. Click on the boxed part after "direct" and you will copy a link to the image. If you post this link anywhere on the wiki, the image will appear.

As for the site asking you to upload it, I think it meant an avatar. Your avatar is now set as a kind of greyish man. If you go to your profile, and hover your cursor over this picture, a link that says "Edit avatar" will appear. From here on it's pretty straight forward how to add an avatar. When you upload an avatar, the image won't be uploaded in New Files, which means that's it's not against the guidelines (even though it's a personal image).

I hope this helps ^^. Sorry about the confusion this caused you. If you've any questions left you can ask me anything.

RandomVocaloidLover (talk) 12:51, March 25, 2015 (UTC)

The page is good ^^. The only thing that was really missing was the viewcount, but I think you just forgot that. As for the image field: this is where you put an image that represents the song. You can just upload this image on the wiki, since it's not against the guidelines (it's not just for personal use). The color field is to give the infobox a different color. You just put in hex codes for the number signs (Example: #; color:# --> #000000; color:#FFFFFF).

RandomVocaloidLover (talk) 17:03, March 26, 2015 (UTC)

We mostly just pick colours which fit the image. However, the colours are really up to the maker of the page to decide. As for the viewcount, you do have a good point about that. But at this point, with over 5000 pages, it would be a bit too much of a hassle to change all of it to "number as at date" format. There is also the option of updating the viewcount after a certain period of time, which should prevent it from getting outdated.

RandomVocaloidLover (talk) 15:24, March 27, 2015 (UTC)

No problem :-). As for adding covers: while they do add notable covers to the song pages on the VOCALOID wiki, we currently don't do that on here the page itself (except if the covers are made by the author, take HappySunday as an extreme example). Of course, people do recommend covers in the comment section of the page, and sometimes when there are no reprints of the original video available on YouTube people just link to fan made PVs. This is all completely fine as long as it's clearly stated that it's fan made. However, as I already stated, we don't add covers/remixes of the song itself to the pages (except if they're made by the author themselves)  . I hope this answers your question a bit. Have a nice day ^^.

RandomVocaloidLover (talk) 16:30, April 2, 2015 (UTC)

Okay I've talked with the other admin about it and we've decided that it would be better if we changed "Nicovideo" to "Niconico" as you said. We'll use a bot to change it since at this point changing everything by hand would be too much of a hassle. I've contacted the Community Central about it and will probably receive an answer withing 2-3 days. I hope that by then we'll be able to borrow a bot. Just thought I'd let you know ;-).

RandomVocaloidLover (talk) 13:26, April 5, 2015 (UTC)

They "intervention required" is for if pages aren't finished yet. So for example if the romaji is still missing, but also if the translation is still missing, since this means the pages is technically not finished yet. However, since there are a lot of pages that don't have a translation we seem to have a separate category for it. The categories mentioned in the guidelines are the only ones you should be familiar with if you make pages. There are some other categories, but these are mostly to sort other categories, so you probably don't have to deal with those much.

RandomVocaloidLover (talk) 08:24, April 12, 2015 (UTC)

Hello
Hello !

I have studied Japanese for 3 years, I can understand the general meaning of a text. What is the song ? I'm glad if I can help ! =)

Rachinaf (talk) 12:09, April 5, 2015 (UTC)

I checked "迷い", I found the meanings of "hesitation", "doubt", but also something about the "incapicity to reach the Buddhism enlightment" because of the temptation in the world, so I think it's both hesitation and confusion.

I don't see any other to translate the others sentences you mentioned, I would have done the same as you... Sorry I can't help more than that.

Rachinaf (talk) 14:09, April 6, 2015 (UTC)

Hi ! For Aburamushi, I rather agree with you everywhere but :

騒ぎ出す わめきだす / Sawagidasu wamekidasu / We start uproars, you burst into screams Wouldn't it rather be : "We start uproars, we burst into screams" ? I don't understand why you change the subject, even if it makes sense both way.

Rachinaf (talk) 08:13, April 26, 2015 (UTC)

Well, that makes more sense with the song I guess, with the "さがそーか さがそーか / 愛してくれる人"^^ In my opinion, it's better when the subject stay the same on the same sentence.

Rachinaf (talk) 14:08, April 26, 2015 (UTC)

Hello,

I translated this song and I wanted to know what you think about the translation. Feel free to correct anything.

Thank you for your time.

Rachinaf (talk) 14:16, June 2, 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for your help ! Sadly, I don't know English enough to disambiguate the expressions... I understood 頂点 as something "physical" (I think this is the best regarding the context). I'm not sure for 愛せはしない, I never was taught about that form, I just assumed it was based on 愛する.

Sorry for being so vague !

Rachinaf (talk) 14:57, June 3, 2015 (UTC)

Pocaloid Users?
Hello,

So apparently Keitaro16x is a pocaloid user and most of his/her songs probably use pocaloid. Should we delete the pages for their songs or should we just keep them? I personally think we should delete them, but I want to make sure that other users are in favor of this too so I don't make the decision on my own.

RandomVocaloidLover (talk) 07:46, May 23, 2015 (UTC)

Okay, I'll look a bit more into it and see what that'll turn up. Thank you for replying.

RandomVocaloidLover (talk) 07:10, May 24, 2015 (UTC)

Keitaro states in the description of this video that he uses Pocaloid 2 and in this video you can even see it in his taskbar. I can't really find evidence that he uses Pocaloid 3, though. In the descriptions of the songs that we have on this wikia he always links to Voctro Labs' website. I'm not really sure what to do with the pages now since there is only evidence that he uses Pocaloid 2 and not Pocaloid 3.

RandomVocaloidLover (talk) 08:53, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

Did I sound stressed? orz I'm sorry. That wasn't my intention. I'm not stressed though, so if you were worrying about that, thank you but you don't have to ;).

Anyway, I'm not really sure if he still uses Pocaloid. When people ask about it in the comments of his videos he replies that he doesn't use it (as far as my Spanish knowledge goes at least). Because it's not certain if he still uses Pocaloid, we can't know for sure if the songs posted on here were made using Pocaloid.

As for the difference between Pocaloid 2 and Pocaloid 3, I believe that Pocaloid 2 is just a cracked version of the Vocaloid 2 software and that Pocaloid 3 is a cracked version of the Vocaloid 3 software.

I also don't think that he would respond if I were to ask him about it, since most people tend to keep their use of Pocaloid a secret. So even if he used it, I doubt he'd tell me or anyone else for that matter :/.

Maybe it's better if we'd give him the benefit of the doubt, and keep the pages.

RandomVocaloidLover (talk) 16:31, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

Japanese name order
Hi !

I think it's better to keep the Japanese order, we did that for all the Vocaloid and producers names.

Rachinaf (talk) 13:54, May 28, 2015 (UTC)

Electric Angel Kagamine Version
Hey,

I read your comment on the Electric Angel page, and since it is a complete rearrangement and has a lot of views, especially on NN (around 650,000+ right now) it would be a good idea to add it I think. But maybe we should put it on a different part of the page? Like the Vocaloid Wiki does with derivatives? Otherwise it might lead to confusion. And in this way we can also add other covers to the page and such.

I do think we should ask Rachinaf about it to see if they're okay with it, though. And we'll have to figure out how to do it and such. But I'm in favour of the idea.

RandomVocaloidLover (talk) 07:35, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

I'm with you on the multiple tab method: it would only work if we just have one or two other version. So that might not be the best way to list covers.

The External Links method should be the easiest to use, but it may end up looking very messy. But we would just have to try that out.

A compact layout does look neater IMHO, but we would have to make it and such which might be difficult since I still don't know anything about making templates orz.

Vocaloid Wikia actually does have a criterion for adding covers, but I'm not sure if it's always respected orz: ''Any derivative listed must show some effort, either in the tuning or in the video. It may not be perfect, but it should be obvious the derivative author did his/her best with it. So basically, if a derivative is really, obviously low-quality, do not list it.''

Limiting it the amount of covers on a page by using viewcount might also not be a good idea, since some pretty low-quality (just slapping the VSQ on it and not editing anything else) covers have around 100K+ views on YT orz. And only using other versions might cause us to skip over some really good covers, which would be a shame IMO.

If we're going to include covers, I do think we should include human, human/vocaloid and UTAU covers if they're notable/good enough to be listed on the page.

So in conclusion I'm not really sure what the criteria should be orz.

Also I haven't really bought this up yet and might just be stating the obvious right now, but if we're going to add covers on a page, I don't think we should use the "VOCALOID original songs" category to list the VOCALOIDs used in the covers since it's not the original work and not a cover by the author of the song itself.

And maybe we should also decide if adding different version is compulsory for page or not.

RandomVocaloidLover (talk) 10:19, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

About colouring the lyrics
Hey ElectricRaichu,

I noticed that you don't really like adding colour to the lyrics, so I thought that maybe using this code would help a bit:

style="color:white;"

If you put this code above a line like this: It will appear like this:

Hope this makes adding colour a bit faster ;).

RandomVocaloidLover (talk) 08:52, June 14, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Naming Policy for non-English words?
Hey,

I thought it was derived from English. My bad orz. I guess if it's derived from Dutch we should just put the Dutch title there ((シロップ (Siroop) instead of シロップ (Syrup)), since that's what it says in the guidelines (''The exceptions are song titles with Katakana in them. When katakana is present, you the title should be as followed: "Japanese katakana (Translated language)". Usually the language is English, but French, Spanish, or German titles are not uncommon either.'').

RandomVocaloidLover (talk) 12:55, June 15, 2015 (UTC)

Composer Categories
Hi ! I'm sorry, I should have explained. I decided to remove those categories because they weren't the categories of the music composer. I think it's easier when the songs are only categorized in the pages of the composer. If you think it should be different, let me know ! (Or maybe we should ask RandomVocaloidLover, she is more experienced).

Rachinaf (talk) 13:07, July 17, 2015 (UTC)

I asked RandomVocaloidLover. =)

(I don't see anything to change to your translation.)

Rachinaf (talk) 08:14, July 18, 2015 (UTC)

Hey,

Okay so when I first came to this wiki (and it only had 100 pages or so) we only had categories for a few producers (Akuno-P, SaiB, wowaka, Empath-P and Circus-P if I recall correctly) and while there were pages by other producers out there these producers didn't really have a category page. Me being me I thought that was weird so I started adding the other producer categories, and the admins then didn't really have a problem with that (I think at least they didn't really do anything to stop me). I don't really remember why but I mostly made producer categories for the music producer, not for the illustrator etc. It didn't really help that the producers which had producer categories mostly made the song all by themselves (art, lyrics, video etc.) so I really had nothing to use as an example. What I'm trying to say with this is that there aren't really any rules regarding this yet because, well, I kinda made the categories without thinking about that too much :/. So there really isn't a "correct" way for categorising pages by producer (this can also be seen in the song article guideline as it doesn't really mention anything about producer categories except that they should be added). Also, I'm not really sure if there are pages for songs with a different lyricist and a music composer where the lyricist is categorised, because most of the time these lyricists only write lyrics once and then they don't get a category most of the time orz.

Now my opinion on this is that we should at least categorise on music producer since, well, they made the music. I am also in favour of adding the lyricist and the arranger since they also share the task of composing the music you actually hear. I'm not really in favour of categorising everyone, though. For example, Kagome-P does a lot of mastering in all kinds of songs. If you go to Vocaloid Database he has like 300 songs while he doesn't even have over 50 originals. If we were to categorise everyone, Kagome-P's category would become cluttered with songs that he mastered and didn't really write. IMHO that would be very annoying for some people since I think most people mainly look up producers for they way their songs sound (or is that just me?), and having a category full of songs that were mainly only mastered would make people have to look through all these pages looking for a song that was written by Kagome-P, while with the system (if you can even call it that I mean I just explained that there isn't a "correct" way to categorise) we have now this problem isn't present at all.

Sorry for the wall of text, but I wanted to explain clearly why I'm in favour or not in favour of some things.

RandomVocaloidLover (talk) 14:46, July 18, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah. That's about the bottom line of it.

RandomVocaloidLover (talk) 08:17, July 19, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah that's probably kind of my fault that you thought that orz. But TBH I did always only categorise on the music composer so I guess it is kind of the way we do it? It's just no a written "rule" as to say. Since we would have to check 6000+ pages to new categories, I think it's a better idea to stick with what we do now, like Rachinaf said  although I still wouldn't mind changing that some day to include lyricists and arrangers but that's something for another day. So I guess I'll just add a line in the guidelines concerning this?

RandomVocaloidLover (talk) 09:28, July 19, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Two songs with similar names.
I've made a disambiguation. I'm planning to add a part about redirects and disambiguations to the Song Article Guideline soon, so I hope that'll clear things up.

RandomVocaloidLover (talk) 09:16, July 26, 2015 (UTC)

I've made the disambiguation. I also made a small note about disambiguations in the Song Article Guideline a while back. Did you see it already or is it not clear enough? orz Feel free to reword a few things in it if you want to.

Amandelen (talk) 08:44, October 4, 2015 (UTC)

Don't worry about it. It happens to the best of us. The example you added seems like a good one to me. Thank you for adding the example and improving the flow of the instructions =)

Amandelen (talk) 10:07, October 4, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Distinguishing lyrics of different versions
When distinguishing lyrics of different versions I personally use tabs. But that might be really annoying to do so from the two options you suggested I'd use the second one (stack then in one table). Hope this helps a bit =).

RandomVocaloidLover (talk) 18:09, August 7, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Romaji Transliterations
Those are some really good suggestions. Thank you. I'm not sure how we'd do that, but I'll ask the Community Central about it.

RandomVocaloidLover (talk) 16:09, August 25, 2015 (UTC)

Sorry for kind of double posting, but I just wanted to give you a quick update.

I've asked the Community Central about notifications (the pop-up on the top of the screen which you get when editing a user page) and if it's possible to customize these. I personally thought this would be the most effective ones to start with as I'm not really sure if all editors check the home page. I'm also still not sure about the automatic reminder since I believe a lot of editors don't stay longer than a year. What we could do is edit the automatic Welcome message everyone gets (this one and this one for anons) to make sure they empathize the guidelines.

RandomVocaloidLover (talk) 18:00, August 25, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah sure. Feel free to do that. It's wrong anyway so it should be corrected.

RandomVocaloidLover (talk) 14:31, August 27, 2015 (UTC)

I've found out how to make notices appear but I can't edit it right now. This is due to some security problems (a while ago some people hacked into the wiki and made every page on any wikia redirect to adult sites..). When I'll be able to edit the pages, I'll do it =).

Also, could I ask a quick question? I recently got a bit confused when you said には isn't a compound, but when Damesukekun romanizes it he does romanize it as a compound. Is it transliterated as both or is it a style choice or something? I tried asking Damesukekun about it but he hasn't answered orz. Sorry to bother you with it but it has been bugging me for a while and I want to know.

PS: I don't know if you're really interested in this but it's possible to change your default editing mode via "My preferences" (for example I changed it to "Source mode" and now it automatically goes to source mode when I edit a page). RandomVocaloidLover (talk) 16:18, August 28, 2015 (UTC)

I see. That explains a lot. Thank you for taking your time to explain. I really appreciate it =). RandomVocaloidLover (talk) 06:54, August 29, 2015 (UTC)

Deletions by random unnamed visitors
I've noticed it as well. And I've checked If but they're all different IP-addresses. I tend to give them a one day block if they do it more than once, because I think they do it to be able to read the lyrics more easily. Plus I personally think it's unfair to just block them without a warning, since they could be doing it without malicious intend. If someone were to do it more often, however, I would probably permablock them :/.

RandomVocaloidLover (talk) 14:19, September 21, 2015 (UTC)

Hi, sorry to respond like that! But I saw a button "Protect" on the pages (with Edit and History). So one of the (most) definitive solutions would be to protect every page wich have a translation, but that would enable people to correct the lyrics...

Rachinaf (talk) 16:11, September 21, 2015 (UTC)

Is it possible to make editing only open to registered users? Although it's easy to register, at least that way they have to take a bit of extra effort.

ElectricRaichu (talk) 07:42, September 22, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, that's possible. I would have to find out why first, but that shouldn't be much of a problem.

Amandelen (talk) 12:22, October 7, 2015 (UTC)

Okay just now I looked into it a bit more and it's only possible if you contact a wikia staff member (and even then it's only for a limited time orz). I'll ask community center if they might have a solution for us.

Amandelen (talk) 12:26, October 7, 2015 (UTC)

Got a reply just now:

Amandelen, Oct 7, 12:43 PM:

Hello,

On this wikia I'm an admin on (vocaloidlyrics) we've been having problems with anonymous editors removing whole chunks of content. At first it happened only from time to time, but now it started to occur at least daily. Since a lot of different IP addresses do it, it's impossible to block them all. We would really like to have a solution, but we don't know what to do. We've considered blocking anon editing for a while, which is why I'm sending this message in the first place. Would it be possible to block anon editing for a few days? Or is that a bit too radical and should we do something else?

Thank you for reading this message.

Amandelen

Hello Amandelen,

Thanks for contacting Wikia. It is possible to restrict anonymous editing, but we generally recommend against it. It’s harder to build a community that blocks anonymous contributors, since a lot of first time visitors will want to try out the site before logging in and creating an account. Forcing people to log in first can put people off and slow the growth of your community.

It is true that more problem edits can come from anonymous editors, but accounts are also easy to make and it’s likely that vandals and spammers will just switch tactics rather than go away. If you need help with spam and vandalism, you’re welcome to contact our Volunteer Spam Task Force (VSTF) at http://vstf.wikia.com. They’re able to give you assistance in cleaning up spam and setting up roadblocks for future vandals.

Above all, the main reason we recommend keeping a wikia open to editing for everyone is that it's just friendlier that way. Open editing is an ideal, one that wikias were built on. We think it's good to keep wikias that way. Of course, there may be special circumstances on particular communities, and we are always willing to listen to any specific considerations you might have.

Feel free to take some time to think this over. If you do want to restrict anon-editing, please hold a community discussion on the wikia (not on chat) so the rest of the community can give their opinion on this as well. Once that’s done, let me know how your community wants to move forward.

In the meantime, you might find these pages helpful: http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Blocking http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Protect_site http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Page_protection

Andrew Naslund, Community Manager

Looking for additional assistance? Check out our help pages at http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Contents

What do you think?

PS: I'm thinking of protecting COMA, because that one seems to be attacked most of the time.

Amandelen (talk) 15:46, October 8, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I think that using a pop-up message would be the best method to start with. The problem is however that I still can't access mediawiki pages orz. I'll make sure to add the messages when I can access them again, though. But for now I think we should either start a discussion on this (to see if others also want to block anon editing for a while) or just revert their edits until I can access mediawiki again.

Amandelen (talk) 09:49, October 9, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Hi from a fellow translator!
I .. I couldn't figure out how to respond directly on the talk page, so I just posted this on your talk page? Maybe this is what is done... *inspects wikia with a magnifying glass*

To be honest, when I made the change to the song last night, I was so on edge of doing something wrong (did I accidentally spam when I did so many upates to my profile???) that I kept checking the wikia to see if I got a message or something ^^;  So basically, do whatever change you can and hopefully someone catches any mistakes I made? XD

Whoo! I've finally met someone who's read my Vocaloid translations! XD  Did you know that in the entire time I ran the blog, I haven't actually talked to (or gotten feedback from) a single person who's read them from my blog? In the end I did just keep on doing them because ... well, why else would I have gotten all these CDs. *stares at growing pile of CD booklets*  ...So, any comments? XD  (jk jk)

Thanks for answering about the CD-only thing. I know that most of the issue revolves around uploading the tracks themselves, since they're meant to remain "unpublished," usually, but I couldn't tell if this extended to the lyrics or not. To be honest, this popped up in my mind when I saw the comments to the "translation" page on the wiki here, so I figured someone here might know the answer lol.

So, on a random note, you're a fellow translator? :D  What's your preferences on what songs to translate?

Terracannon876 (talk) 13:28, October 7, 2015 (UTC)

I didn't mention last time, but ... it's always a foreign feeling to be the inspiration to someone else ^^;  Joining the wikia is actually giving me quite the incentive to start translating more :D  (...arguably, at a very bad time as midterms are coming up, whoops)

Story songs! I remember story songs were the original reason I got into Vocaloids in the first place. I don't listen to mothyP much now, but back when the first thing I heard were Daughter/Servant of Evil?? It was so novel that I loved it immediately. ...And then I found HitoshizukuP and ... yeah. I was lost to Vocaloids. Forever :P  But because of this first song and because of Hitoshizuku's preference to the twins, I almost always stick to those two, though I've learned to like Miku better (simply because she's so popular). Hmm... KidP, huh. I came across one of their songs in the past, but I completely forgot about them since I just never saw them again. I think this is another producer worth checking out >333  Thanks for the suggestion~  I find the huge pool of composers and Vocaloids a bit intimidating, but because of its sheer size, it means there's always gems to be found :D

Terracannon876 (talk) 21:54, October 7, 2015 (UTC)

Re: email not confirmed message
Hm... I got that messages two days ago too. I thought it was really weird since I already confirmed my e-mail address when I first signed up (I get e-mails when someone puts something on my talk page). It's probably some weird glitch with wikia, since other people are having the same problem. I probably can't do anything about it right now myself orz. It might be wise to follow that thread or send an e-mail to Wikia Staff. If more people are having the problem it will probably be solved before the end of the week, if not faster.

Amandelen (talk) 21:59, October 9, 2015 (UTC)

Hello. Do you still get the messages? Anyway, I send a bug report and got a reply just now:

Hello,

Thanks for contacting Wikia. We appreciate you letting us know about this issue. This unconfirmed state seems isolated mostly to emails with @earthlink.net emails. We will be in contact with their tech department this week. I will pass your report directly to our technical staff for investigation and review.

Sorry for the problem and thanks for using Wikia.

Just wanted to let you know.

Amandelen (talk) 08:08, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

Maybe this solution might work? Anyway, it seems like more and more people are having this problem. So I hope it will be fixed soon.

Amandelen (talk) 08:30, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

Len's Lyrics
Hello again! After your last comment, I clicked the link and ... I didn't realize you were the one who ran Len's Lyrics! I really liked the coding on that site, and if Wordpress.org were more flexible, I'd love to grill you more on your code, haha. (But ... alas, .org can't handle scripts, so it'd be a futile endeavor.)  I especially like how you have various links to differnet song covers and dances as well.

To respond to your comment on my blog post, I find it helpful to check other people's translations, too. However, I find it relatively harmful to check someone else's translation beforehand because it will influence the words / phrasing I choose often when I don't want to. This isn't necessarily because the other person's translation is bad, but because I want to try for a certain style and I can't capture it because my brain keeps derailing to this other person's phrasing. However, if I'm stuck on a phrase, I used to often check other people's translations - using spacealc, goo.jp, weblio, google sentence examples, etc. Anything and everything, since I find using examples help me understand a sentence much better than just a dictionary definition. (And I trust these examples because they're official translations from language learning sites or other such reliable sources.  And then I double check with goo, lol.)

I'll probably try for Dream Eater first, since it was my favorite song for a long time. I even wrote a fanfic for it, haha. Gonna do 1 request and 1 other song first, though...

Terracannon876 (talk) 23:03, October 20, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Help with "TORRENTS" /
(Just for reference, I'll copy the lines here.)

もっといっしょに遊びたかった /  笑ったり　バカしたり　苦しみ合えていたら /  あふれ出てくるこの想いを /  どこにぶつければ　どこに吐き出せば良いのか

More often than not, the "-takatta" form is the last verb to appear in a list. That plus the "-tara" form in "kurushimiaeteitara" suggests this is actually a modifier for the next sentence. (Also, if you listen to the song you can hear in the melody that "kurushimiaeteitara" is leading to "afuredetekuru", implying the same sentence, though this is by no means a great way to mark sentence breaks.)

I'd translate it (based off your translations somewhat): I wanted to have fun with you more. / These feelings that overflow  / when we laugh, when we fool around, when we argue [fight with each other / suffer each other's presence / go through bad experiences together]... / Where can I share them now? Where should I vent to now?

I hope this helps / is correct!

Terracannon876 (talk) 03:57, October 24, 2015 (UTC)

Yes I tried following the flow of the music as well, but it was ambiguous to me. It seems to flow naturally whether the -tara line is the condition for the next line or whether it's an inversion relating to the previous. However, I'm thinking now that the potential in the conditional makes it go with the previous line:


 * If we could laugh, fool around, share our suffering,
 * I would have wanted to have fun with you some more.
 * These feelings etc.,
 * where do I etc.?

If you join the condition with the following line, well, I think that his feelings come regardless of whether he can laugh etc. with her or not.

Can you think of any counter arguments? IMHO both interpretations seems forced so maybe the lyrics are a bit daft at that point.

ElectricRaichu (talk) 06:19, October 24, 2015 (UTC)

Personally, when in doubt, break it apart entirely so it is also vague in English. If that line was meant to be interpreted openly in Japanese, then it should also be interpreted openly in English. That's if you really think this is the case.

Admittedly, I do think that linking the conditional phrase with the following line causes a slight logic disconnect. Without the "laughing, fooling around, etc.", how would the emotions come about in the first place? He'd have no need to vent them anywhere. And also, it does not really seem like the conditional is linked with the following line.

There is also a third interpretation that came to me, and that probably makes the most sense. "I wanted to play with you more. / When I laugh, fool around, and suffer now, / where do I etcetc"

Edit: Read it again and changed the third interpretation. I still think the condition goes with the line after it though.

Terracannon876 (talk) 16:38, October 24, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Change name of image file
Don't worry, it's not really a problem. I did change the name to 0630.png, though. If you want to change the name of the image, you should go to and click on the arrow besides "edit". The option to rename the file will appear.

Amandelen (talk) 14:34, November 27, 2015 (UTC)

Oh, Ok. That's probably the case. I've been an admin for so long that I tend to forget which features can be used by admins only, sorry orz.

Amandelen (talk) 07:38, November 28, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Category issues
Happy New Year.

I'm not sure how to rename categories, so I'll just make a new one with the same content and delete the older one. And don't worry, you're not troubling me at all.

There isn't anything about it in the guideline because I didn't add anything about categories (yet). I was mainly focusing on the song articles themselves when I made it, and not on the categories. I'll add something about producer categories and VOCALOID categories ASAP.

You're right. The duet, trios and group categories only apply to lead singers. We do however add the backing vocals themselves to the categories, as can be seen here and here.

Amandelen (talk) 13:25, January 6, 2016 (UTC)

Oops, forgot that. Thank you for telling me. I've added something about it just now.

Amandelen (talk) 11:36, January 9, 2016 (UTC)

Thank you very much for adding that. I kind of forgot we can also add categories that way (since I never actually use it myself).

Amandelen (talk) 08:19, January 14, 2016 (UTC)

Re: Niconicopedia broken links
Hello,

I think I'll just fix it myself instead of getting a bot to do it. It can take a really long time to arrange a bot and since it are only seven pages in the search and I was planning on doing a big clean-up of pages in the near future anyway, I'll just do it myself.

Amandelen (talk) 16:41, March 6, 2016 (UTC)

I've fixed it.

Amandelen (talk) 18:38, March 6, 2016 (UTC)

No, it's completely fine. Thank you for doing that. I didn't know what I was doing.

Re:About transliterating
Thank you for your explanation and advice. I don't know anyone who's fluent in Japanese, though. At least, no one who's readily available... I'll just do my best with what I have. :) Shimazu Sumiko (talk) 00:10, March 11, 2016 (UTC)

鎖の少女
Thank you for fixing 鎖の少女 (Kusari no Shoujo). I had no idea what I was doing, and a Wikia contributor erased EVERYTHING. I didn't know what to do. [from Coxal15]

Re: 言ノ華?
But the kanji shown when they sing "kotonoha" is 言の葉 and not 言ノ華, so wouldn't that mean that it's koto no hana?

Amandelen (talk) 09:42, March 25, 2016 (UTC)

I think I'll just go with koto no hana for now. Thank you very much for your help.

Amandelen (talk) 11:34, March 25, 2016 (UTC)

罪の名前
I'm trying to translate Tsumi no Namae, and there's just one line that I'm just a little confused about. I think this would translate to "I also think like that" directly, but some have told me that it means "I want to think like that". I don't want to get the lyrics wrong. Sorry if I'm being a bother.
 * そんなふうに私も思ってみたい

Ohjesusohboy (talk) 20:51, March 30, 2016 (UTC)

No bother. Feel free any time.

Auxiliary verb みる after the -te form of a verb means to have a go at (doing). 思ってみる = "will have a go at thinking", "will try thinking". たい verb inflection means to want to do. 思う = "think", 思いたい = "want to think". If you have an auxiliary verb, this is applied to the auxiliary instead: 思ってみたい = "want to have a go at thinking", "want to try thinking". (Don't confuse the -tai inflection of みる with the na-adjective みたい which follows a noun or clause to indicate appearance or resemblance.)

So そんなふうに私も思ってみたい = "I too want to have a go at thinking in that way" = "I would like to think like that too".

Hope this helps. If you are still uncertain about anything, feel free to ask. (Now whether I have the answer is another matter ...)

ElectricRaichu (talk) 22:21, March 30, 2016 (UTC)

Alright, thank you.

Ah, a few more questions about the middle of the song, as that is the one that I have trouble with.

それって鼠とどっちが汚い？

How would I phrase this in English? I get what it is trying to convey, buy I can't figure out a way to word it.

想うほどに胸が苦しい

I just want to make sure would this be "A pain in my chest because of my thoughts"? Or, am I simply translating that wrong?

Ohjesusohboy (talk) 22:40, March 30, 2016 (UTC)

I'm afraid 見てみぬふりに理不尽な差別 / それって鼠とどっちが汚い？ is too tricky for me. Is it the bewitched girl saying that to people spurning her? I'm not sure what それ is referring to. If you can let me know what you understand of the two lines together, maybe I can try help you phrase it better.

想うほどに usually means "as much as you think" or "as much as you wish". So 想うほどに胸が苦しい probably means "my chest/heart is hurting as much as you/I think it is" or possibly "my chest/heart is hurting as much as you/I wish it to be".

ElectricRaichu (talk) 02:49, March 31, 2016 (UTC)

From what I can gather, yes, it's about the bewitched girl reprimanding those. 見てみぬふりに理不尽な差別 by itself means something like "pretending not to see irrational discrimination", and  それ may be reffering to " 理不尽な差別", or something like that? That's my best guess, anyways. Honestly, I kind of blanked out earlier today and I completely forget what I thought  それ was reffering to. I know I'm not being much help, sorry.

Ohjesusohboy (talk) 02:57, March 31, 2016 (UTC)

Ah, maybe she means, "which is dirtier, a rat, or discriminating against someone without reason? " I'm not sure what she's accusing them of pretending not to notice though.

About そんなふうに私も思ってみたい, looking at it in context, she thinks "being alive is a wonderful thing", and then says that she wants to be able to think the same thing. In her bewitched state, living is horrible and she can't think like that.

ElectricRaichu (talk) 03:20, March 31, 2016 (UTC)

I think maybe what she may be accusing of them of not seeing how awful they were being to her earlier in the song? That's my guess.

So, would そんなふうに私も思ってみたい be translated something like "I'd like to think like that again", given the context of the lyrics?

Ohjesusohboy (talk) 03:36, March 31, 2016 (UTC)

I would say "Being alive is a wonderful thing / I'd like to think that way too." Given her condition, she does not find life wonderful, but she knows that others have that experience and she too wishes that she could find life to be a good thing.

見てみぬふりに ... I would have thought it's trying to say that they're ignoring her by pretending they don't see her. The trouble is they make no pretence; they see her and call her a monster, which is why I find it confusing. If I can't figure something out, I often leave it for a day or two and come back to it later and it clicks. You could translate it literally for now, or words to that effect, and improve on it after dwelling on it for a couple of days.

ElectricRaichu (talk) 04:37, March 31, 2016 (UTC)

Alright, I'll do that.

One last question on the translation ono a line that's stumping me just a bit. I know I'm being annoying, but this is the last one, truly.

そうだ ここに咲いた花を君にあげよう

Again, I can kind of get some of it, but I have absolutely no idea as how to translate it.

Ohjesusohboy (talk) 05:03, March 31, 2016 (UTC)

You're not being annoying at all. I was planning to work on something else but helping someone learn is also a good thing to do.

He says that he wants to console her: 慰めてあげたい. The idea of そうだ is to make you see that he's wondering how to do it and finds a way at that moment. The way to console her is 花を君にあげよう, I'll give you a flower. Which flower? ここに咲いた花, the flower that came into bloom here.

"I know, I'll give you this flower that has sprouted/opened/bloomed here."

Not sure which bit you had trouble with. あげる means (among many other things) to give in an outward direction, i.e., the speaker to the listener, you to an outsider, etc. It can apply to a noun, e.g., 花をあげる "give [you] a flower", or to an action using the -te form of the verb, e.g., 慰めてあげる "give [you] the act of consoling". ここに咲いた is an adjectival clause applying to 花.

ElectricRaichu (talk) 05:38, March 31, 2016 (UTC)

ん+な Column Transliteration
Thank you for your advice, it helps a lot ! =)

Rachinaf (talk) 11:19, April 11, 2016 (UTC)

Re: Minor annoyance
Hello,

Yeah, it's been kind of annoying me as well, but I chose to say nothing of it since they're technically not doing anything wrong. But I'll make a note in the song article guideline and tell them about it. I hope that will solve it. Thank you for bringing this to my attention.

Amandelen (talk) 08:52, April 23, 2016 (UTC)

Re: 星屑オーケストラ
Thank you for notifying me! If you find errors or awkward bits in any of my translations, feel free to change it(apparently I'm not qualified enough to translate anyway, so...). Have a nice day!

Streetneko (talk) 10:04, April 27, 2016 (UTC)

Re:このピアノでお前を8759632145回ぶん殴る
I believe Luiysia speaks Chinese.

Amandelen (talk) 12:09, May 11, 2016 (UTC)

Re: rain
Hello,

Don't worry. You got it right =). I also added the other song to the disambiguation.

Amandelen (talk) 15:51, May 26, 2016 (UTC)

Re: Dog Day Afternoon
Hello,

Feel free to replace the link.

Amandelen (talk) 14:36, June 3, 2016 (UTC)

Hi. I got your message about the view counts. It won't happen again. I will be leaving this site eventually. So, I need to know every little detail I can get. Coxal15 (talk) 01:51, June 11, 2016 (UTC)

Yeah. Sorry to disappoint you. It's been fun. And I haven't been on here for a year yet. I like listening to songs I've never heard out before. I always like to listen to new songs and see new pages get added. I just love Vocaloid in general. I love the games, I love the music, I love everything. It's just a shame that I'll be leaving eventually. :(

Coxal15 (talk) 02:04, June 11, 2016 (UTC)

Re: Questionable/Explicit Templates
Hello ElectricRaichu,

I've decided to re-open the forum thread, since I'm kind of at a loss what to do since some people think we should use them and others think we don't. I don't like making the decision between using them and not using them, since it would mean that one party probably gets disappointed. I've added more information to the post this time and I've also added more polls, which means that it will be a bit easier to make sure that everyone is happy with the decision. Thank you for your reply and input.

I also agree with you on the categories, and I have included that part in the new message.

Have a nice day =).

Amandelen (talk) 09:17, June 15, 2016 (UTC)

Hey Raichu,

With a bit of reprogramming (done by me) we can remove the category feature if the templates are accepted by the community. After the polls close I will look into it if accepted.

TooPointOhh (talk) 14:06, June 15, 2016 (UTC)

勿忘草
Hey ElectricRaichu,

Could you maybe help Rachinaf and me out? Rachinaf is making a page for the song 勿忘草 (a request), but had problems transcribing a certain kanji. I also tried to transcribe it, but I had no luck either. Here's an image of the kanji itself and the sentence it is used in (重ねた_蓮に誓う): http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/923/mKtBuF.png (The image is kind of big. Feel free to remove it after you read this message). It seems like the kanji is pronounced as "ひ". Do you perhaps know which kanji this is?

Thank you for reading this message. I hope you have a nice day =).

Amandelen (talk) 18:16, July 11, 2016 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your help =).

Amandelen (talk) 08:44, July 12, 2016 (UTC)

Re: Constellation corrections
It sounds like mabataku ... kaita to me. Thank you for the correction.

Amandelen (talk) 12:53, July 25, 2016 (UTC)

It does sound like matataku instead of mabataku. Thank you (again) for the correction. I'll correct it on the page. Feel free to message me again if you have any other corrections.

Have a nice day =).

Amandelen (talk) 10:14, July 26, 2016 (UTC)