User talk:Amandelen

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page creation help
--V goes vvryy (talk) 02:12, September 9, 2019 (UTC)

I accidentally added a category to this image: https://vocaloidlyrics.fandom.com/wiki/File:Grand_cabaret_title_card.png And I don't know how to remove the tag. I uploaded it to use in a new page I am working on right now.

Thank you for help. ><

I'm out
https://vocaloidlyrics.fandom.com/wiki/I%27M_OUT

https://soundcloud.com/seirimusic/im-out Reupload has more lyrics


 * Should be added now. Amandelen (talk) 16:34, September 9, 2019 (UTC)

The Recluse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ2Wiz7SiYw Does this count as an 'original' song? The lyrics are by a famous writer/poet. Or is it okay as long as the music/instrumental is an original arrange?


 * Currently the guidelines allow songs comprising original lyrics set to existing music and sung by a Vocaloid (see Covers section). I have no objection to allowing the reverse, viz., original music for prior lyrics and sung by a Vocaloid, but I don't think the guidelines say one way or another.


 * I see four situations
 * setting words without prior music (e.g. poetry) to an existing melody,
 * setting words without prior music to original music,
 * setting lyrics of an exisiting song set to a new, original melody (I've done that!), and
 * switching the melody of one song to that of another (I heard that at a live concert once, it was great fun).
 * Personally I have no objection to the first three. I don't know if 4 should count as sufficiently original, though, even if the combination is new.


 * What do you think? ElectricRaichu (talk) 02:11, September 10, 2019 (UTC)

There have already been some songs added that have original music but poetry as lyrics (example), so option 2 should be fine at least. I thought I had put something about it in the Song Article Guideline already, but apparently not so I'll add it. I'm not entirely sure on 3 and 1 right now. I'll need to think about it for a bit. I'm pretty sure 4 would count as a mash-up and not an original song. I apologize for the short reply. I'll try to go more in depth somewhere this week. I'm very tired right now and can't really think up a coherent reply. Amandelen (talk) 20:21, September 10, 2019 (UTC)


 * Okay I've thought about it a bit more. I think 1 would rougly fall under cover (remix of a Soundtrack to which the author added their own lyrics, in this case a poem from someone else). I think 3 depends on whether the song is seen as a remix by the author of that version or as an original song. For example, there are several songs which have the same lyrics but are unrelated. Either way, if it's branded as an original song by the author it should be fine. I'd still count 4 as a mash-up. Sorry for the somewhat late reply. I'm currently a bit busy IRL and am sometimes too tired to reply well due to that. Amandelen (talk) 15:09, September 12, 2019 (UTC)

Aurelia
https://vocaloidlyrics.fandom.com/wiki/%E3%82%AA%E3%83%BC%E3%83%AC%E3%83%AA%E3%82%A2_(Aurelia)

https://vocaloidlyrics.fandom.com/wiki/AuRelia Can you make an disamb page for these songs?

Ghost in the machine
https://vocaloidlyrics.fandom.com/wiki/Ghost_in_the_machine

https://vocaloidlyrics.fandom.com/wiki/Ghost_in_the_Machine Can you make a disamb page for this?


 * Done. ElectricRaichu (talk) 08:06, September 12, 2019 (UTC)

Kakashi
https://vocaloidlyrics.fandom.com/wiki/真生活_%28Shin_Seikatsu%29

Kakashi's name in the template links to a song page instead of the composer name

Fixed it. I don't want the guidelines to get too long, but what might help is to put the following explanation in the "About the song box" section under "producer":


 * producer: [existing text] The producer's name can link to
 * a song list category for the producer, e.g., ;
 * or, unless the producer's name clashes with the name of a another page, a redirect to the song list category;
 * or (optional), if there is no song list category, another site, such as Vocaloid Wiki or VocaDB, with information about the producer.

I think that describes our current practices. ElectricRaichu (talk) 06:22, September 13, 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you for fixing it. I've also added the part you suggested to the Song Article Guideline. Amandelen (talk) 08:52, September 13, 2019 (UTC)

Ryuusei Meteeshika
https://vocaloidlyrics.fandom.com/wiki/%E6%B5%81%E6%98%9F%E3%83%A1%E3%83%86%E3%82%A8%E3%82%B7%E3%82%AB_(Ryuusei_Meteeshika)

English translations have been added by an unknown user, please let Damesukekun know~ SolarTwT (talk) 15:49, September 16, 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you for telling me! I've asked him about it. Amandelen (talk) 19:48, September 16, 2019 (UTC)

Mei
I'm not sure if this has been checked by Damesukekun before, but there are english translations in the.

EL
https://vocaloidlyrics.fandom.com/wiki/Category:E.L._songs_list

They actually have a dot/period in their name before the E so that needs to be changed/updated.

I already made a page of keisei's song Mic_test, but other user made for the duplicate. mind to delete this page Mic_Test? thanks :3

deletion page
I already made page of keisei's song in here Mic_test, but other user made the duplicate. I don't know how to delete a page, so mind to delete this page Mic_Test ? thank you :3


 * No problem! It should be fixed now. Amandelen (talk) 12:24, September 19, 2019 (UTC)

Jul 7
https://vocaloidlyrics.fandom.com/wiki/July_7%2C_0:00 I think this is from that one person that keeps coming back :P


 * Thank you for telling me. I've dealt with them. Amandelen (talk) 07:17, September 20, 2019 (UTC)

Add to disambiguation page
Please add this https://vocaloidlyrics.fandom.com/wiki/Love/Eggui

Thank you! SolarTwT (talk) 17:00, September 20, 2019 (UTC)


 * Sure! Should be done now. Amandelen (talk) 18:17, September 20, 2019 (UTC)

Sister war
https://vocaloidlyrics.fandom.com/wiki/Sister_War

https://mega.nz/#!K000WAhb!ekILBiRxlogHX81o2PN4ofyUxFSXsXqfHxp6hjBOQGw Could you add the lyrics to this please? IDK why but I can't copy/paste it properly/it keeps messing up for some reason on my end


 * Sure! Next time, it'd probably help to open the text file in word or a similar text-editing programme. It often does for me. Amandelen (talk) 08:07, September 22, 2019 (UTC)

Thanks! and yeah i even put it in a separate word file, still not sure what happened even tho the text wasn't too long. Luckily it doesn't happen too often with other zip files ~Raine

ユメミーガール
Do you know what the page title for ユメミーガール should be? It might be a conflation of "yumemi" (夢見) and "me girl". Would ユメミーガール (Yume Me Girl) be better, or ユメミーガール (Yumemii Girl) ? ElectricRaichu (talk) 07:47, September 23, 2019 (UTC)

Sofia
https://vocaloidlyrics.fandom.com/wiki/-_%EF%BC%B3%EF%BD%8F%EF%BD%86%EF%BD%89%EF%BD%81_-_%E2%80%9D%EF%BC%B3%EF%BD%8F%EF%BD%86%EF%BD%89%EF%BD%81_is_in_my_heart%E2%80%9D

Another unfinished page. (Might be too hard to code, but maybe we could set the wiki to, where, you can't make any new pages unless you've had an account for a week? Or like, "You need to make at least 25 good edits before being allowed to make a page" or so? [Be kinda hard to enforce though, and I don't wanna discourage newbies who legit wanna help tho])~Raine

I see, that's fine. Well, at least they actually replied for once since before, assuming it's the same person they seemed to always ignore our post about asking them about the lyrics~Raine

奶z0
https://vocaloidlyrics.fandom.com/wiki/%E5%A5%B6z0

If you're not too busy, would you mind checking if the transcribed lyrics and romaji are okay? I'm not sure if Raine is available right now..

I tried to add the kana according to the video, let me know if I have to change it. Also, I'm not too sure about the romaji of the title, but I've left it at Naizo for now. Thank you! SolarTwT (talk) 10:05, September 24, 2019 (UTC)

Planetarium no Shinjitsu
The translations for this song was done by this person. Would you mind asking damesukekun to check them? Thank you!!

TRUTH ON A PLANETARIUM

Even if you had the whole world in your hands You'd get bored with it soon enough That's why I hide myself from you

The master key concealed in the pocket I made sure that it was still there again and again Like I was holding a ticket for two made of stars

Old rows of houses, a faded STOP sign You know, I wouldn't mind living here But only if you were with me

Our future projected on a planetarium Temporary galaxies and feelings Let's sing with the constellations of the 2 AM sky tonight We don't need a reason A life with you and me in it Those are the days I want to keep picturing in my mind Every minute, every second

The scenery I see from the passenger's seat May be different from the one you see in your mirror Just believe in the warmth we feel from each other's fingertips

I was in the shade, looking out at the sunny side of the street The one who reached out to me was you Nobody else but you

Our future projected on a planetarium Temporary galaxies and feelings Let's sing with the constellations of the 2 AM sky tonight We don't need a reason A life with you and me in it Those are the days I want to keep picturing in my mind Every minute, every second

When the prelude starts to play We blow out the candle over and over I want to be the star that shines on your street at night Hiding your sadness deep inside You spun those words of love for me Now I want to make it up to you with everything I have

Our future projected on a planetarium Temporary galaxies and feelings Let's sing with the constellations of the 2 AM sky tonight I won't let anyone say that this isn't real A life with you and me in it Those are the days I want to keep picturing in my mind Every minute, every second

On that day I saw The truth on a planetarium

SolarTwT (talk) 12:59, September 24, 2019 (UTC)


 * I've asked him about it. Amandelen (talk) 14:26, September 24, 2019 (UTC)

Megane
https://vocaloidlyrics.fandom.com/wiki/%E6%96%B9%E5%90%91%E9%9F%B3%E7%97%B4%E3%80%9C%E3%83%9F%E3%83%A9%E3%82%AF%E3%83%ABMEGANE%E3%80%9C_(H%C5%8Dk%C5%8D_onchi_%E3%80%9C_mirakuru_MEGANE_%E3%80%9C) Another incomplete page

I deleted the page since apart from lack of content, the title didn't follow the guidelines anyway. I also deleted another instance of that tanabata song without lyrics. ElectricRaichu (talk) 05:26, September 27, 2019 (UTC)

Soko ni Inochi wa Arimasu ka. picture
AngelChu pointed out that the illustration to Soko ni Inochi wa Arimasu ka. had graphic content. I hadn't looked at it carefully. For now I've replaced it with a generic image and put a warning. Can you see what you think? ElectricRaichu (talk) 05:29, September 27, 2019 (UTC)

category page
Hi, do you mind adding a category page for the producer of these songs?

https://vocaloidlyrics.fandom.com/wiki/%E6%B7%B1%E6%B5%B7%E3%81%AE%E6%AD%8C_(Shinkai_no_Uta)

https://vocaloidlyrics.fandom.com/wiki/%E3%81%B2%E3%81%A8%E3%82%8A%E3%81%94%E3%81%A8_(Hitorigoto)/Bluer_Than_Blue

Thanks! SolarTwT (talk) 08:48, September 30, 2019 (UTC)


 * Sure thing! It should be up now! Amandelen (talk) 08:51, September 30, 2019 (UTC)

Vocaloid Wiki deletions
Thanks for the list. Yes, we need to review them in case there are some we missed, but I'm a bit concerned that either Vocaloid Wiki has gone to far or we haven't gone far enough. For example, they deleted the lyrics to SPICE but we've not only kept them, we reduced the warning!

One reason might be that songs involving sexual activity and sung by Vocaloids that represent minors (such as Len) could be construed as underage sex, and therefore unacceptable and possibly even illegal. Personally I think that is extreme.

Now if a song explicitly states that a someone underage is engaging in sexual activity (or, arguably, eliciting it), then I agree that we should not host such lyrics. But the singer of a song and the narrator of the lyrics are not the same person. When someone reads a Winnie the Pooh story out loud, does that mean that the reader is a stuffed bear toy? I've heard young singers on TV etc. that are barely teenagers who sing love songs I consider inappropriate for their age, and they haven't been censored.

ElectricRaichu (talk) 10:11, September 30, 2019 (UTC)

I had a look at the deleted songs and, not suprisingly, there are issues we need to deal with.

I think the following should have their lyrics deleted because of explicit underage sex: I'm not sure about the following because the lyrics are too complex to deal with quickly: I can't figure out why the following violate the terms of use. Maybe we should ask them? I don't mind deleting them to be safe, but I'm not convinced it's necessary. The other songs on the deleted list already have their lyrics deleted here.
 * Halloween Candy
 * Funky Husky Cool Girls
 * 警察蜀黍!!! 就是这个人!!! (Jǐngchá Shǔshǔ!!! Jiùshì Zhège Rén!!!)
 * 援交ラプンツェル (Enkou Rapunzel) -- according to this dictionary, 援交 is not limited to but strongly suggestive of a schoolgirl
 * 叶公好龙 (Yègōnghàolóng)
 * 赤と白と黒の系譜 (Aka to Shiro to Kuro no Keifu)
 * ヴェノマニア公の狂気 (Venomania-kou no Kyouki)
 * Secrets of Wysteria

ElectricRaichu (talk) 10:54, September 30, 2019 (UTC)


 * Amandelen, check your Discord PMs, gave the answers for the 4 last ones. Typically, it's the themes being wrong for the Terms of Use (especially pedophilia or rape). Sorry Raichu, since I don't have your Discord ID I can't message you directly, so I gave Amandelen the answers instead... :/ Tokina8937 (talk) 14:27, September 30, 2019 (UTC)

I agree pedophilia and child abuse in general should be taken very seriously.

I'm not convinced, however, that rape is automatically a violation of the terms of use. Lyrics that glorify or detail any abuse I would agree are of concern. However, a song, for example, that only mentions it and then talks about how the victim deals with the pain or about their courage or recovery might be OK. ElectricRaichu (talk) 07:58, October 1, 2019 (UTC)

Back
https://vocaloidlyrics.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/45v45yb54 They're back again. They provided lyrics this time but technically they're ban evading, right? So maybe we can just keep an eye on all their total edits before banning them again since they've kinda made a page properly this time


 * Thank you. I've deleted the pages which didn't have lyrics. They also seem to have been g-blocked already. Amandelen (talk) 10:19, October 3, 2019 (UTC)

Without love
https://vocaloidlyrics.fandom.com/wiki/%E3%81%82%E3%81%84%E3%81%AA%E3%81%8D_(Ai_Naki)

https://magenetratranslations.tumblr.com/post/188153300215/here-is-the-original-version-of-without-love-i

https://magenetratranslations.tumblr.com/post/188152853875/hi-guys-heres-shrs-len-cover-of-their

Translation available now, could you add it to the tabbers?

Re: Explicit Lyrics
VAPOR CANNON is the only one I would argue about, but taking another look, I think a couple of words e.g. nomihosu make it pornographic, so I think it's the right decision.

What about Secrets of Wysteria? Given that the song is based on child abuse, I think we should remove the lyrics. Probably should delete the link to Wikipedia also. If how bad you say it is, I don't think younger readers that come by should be able to find it so easily.

Sorry I've been sick again plus my internet has been up and down so I haven't been able to follow up on those songs. ElectricRaichu (talk) 23:56, October 7, 2019 (UTC)

https://vocaloidlyrics.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Celestiat

Them again I believe; they made the page somewhat properly this time but prolly should keep an eye on their other contributions still :P (Unless ban-evading is an instant block but we can't 100% prove it's the same person)


 * It's the same person. They've been g-blocked again. Amandelen (talk) 13:47, October 9, 2019 (UTC)

Attention
https://vocaloidlyrics.fandom.com/wiki/Attention%21

https://vocaloidlyrics.fandom.com/wiki/Attention!_%E2%99%A1

Can you make a disamb page for these songs?


 * Does this look OK? ElectricRaichu (talk) 07:10, October 9, 2019 (UTC)


 * Looks good! Thank you! Amandelen (talk) 12:54, October 9, 2019 (UTC)

Again
https://vocaloidlyrics.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kiyotaka3

https://vocaloidlyrics.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/4wbyw4y

https://vocaloidlyrics.fandom.com/wiki/User:463ub5u6 (is there not a way to perma-ban IPs lol? tho i suppose ppl can change their IPs if they know how)


 * I don't think you're not supposed to permanently block IP addresses since I think different people can share the same address over time. I'll block these two for now but they're sure to come back. Raichu


 * We've already tried blocking some IP-address ranges she works from, but it unfortunately doesn't seem to work. We'll have to keep blocking her on sight right now. Amandelen (talk) 08:42, October 11, 2019 (UTC)

https://vocaloidlyrics.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/5nn77ni

https://vocaloidlyrics.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/67bu56i5n86

Dysergy
https://vocaloidlyrics.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Dysergy_songs_list Maybe this needs to be changed to "lowlander"? Since they seem to have re-branded completely, and their previous songs have all been unlisted so I'm not sure if they wanna be associated with the previous name anymore


 * Should be moved now. Amandelen (talk) 06:17, October 14, 2019 (UTC)

K/Re:K
https://vocaloidlyrics.fandom.com/wiki/K

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PpoS_Bddbc Might need a secondary lyrics tabber

Hazuki
https://hazukinoyume.wordpress.com/

"Please refrain from reuploading any video featuring my translations. Please do not put my translations on any uploads, closed captions, wikis, etc. Removal of past uses of my translations is greatly appreciated. Thank you."

​​​​​​Might be time-consuming to comply, but we probably should out of respect.

I've added my thoughts to the discussion board. ElectricRaichu (talk) 06:05, October 15, 2019 (UTC)

Hazuki no Yume: Reply
Understood. I didn't realise at first that only one person was removing the translations and decided to help. Um, I already undid my edit before I got your message ^^;

I was about to edit Beautiful Lie though, would it be okay since there's an official translation? Hitomi45 (talk) 15:05, October 16, 2019 (UTC)

Hello, I saw your reasoning for taking down my photos. I'm sorry for causing any problems with it, as you probably know I'm very new to using this platform. I was wondering if you could help me with figuring out the photobucket thing, I tried using it once but i ended up getting a virus on my computer. qwq

スイートピー (talk) 17:05, October 17, 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for the kind offer, but I can try to make one myself. ^^ Hopefully I'll be able to figure t out easily. Thanks again though. ^^ I hope you have a nice day. スイートピー (talk) 17:41, October 17, 2019 (UTC)

Spaghetti code
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJDWbtrKNbA There's english captions up but the korean wasn't provided yet (Should i try asking them for the hangul?)


 * Sorry, I don't take requests. Maybe you could try asking Hyunryuu? They haven't been active for some time though. Amandelen (talk) 22:45, October 18, 2019 (UTC)

They posted the hangul too, I'll make the page in a bit --Raine

Take me down
https://vocaloidlyrics.fandom.com/wiki/Take_me_down

https://vocaloidlyrics.fandom.com/wiki/Take_Me_Down Can you make a disam page for these two?

Otome Kaibou
Hi Amandelen, forgetful apparently did a translation for otome kaibou but the keep reading isn't working for me :( Are you able to access to it?

https://forgetfulsubs.tumblr.com/post/182128577041/maiden-dissection-english-translation-music


 * It doesn't work for me either :(. I'll see if I can get it to work somehow. Amandelen (talk) 13:53, October 19, 2019 (UTC)


 * I can't find a way to fix it orz. Apparently some people are able to read it, so hopefully we'll able to find someone who can access them? Amandelen (talk) 14:05, October 19, 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, I really hope someone here can access it :( SolarTwT (talk) 15:34, October 19, 2019 (UTC)

Otome Kaibou
No, I can't see it either, but yeah, I believe that was a complaint ppl had/asked forgetful about and i don't think she ever fixed it (i think she's still on hiatus too so it might be a while unless someone else finds a way to look at the tumblr code for it)

Did you try 'mobile'/have the tumblr app? I believe their app has a 'bug' where basically 'readmores' don't exist if you view a person's blog that way~Raine


 * I didn't, but I'll try downloading it to see if that works. Thank you for the tip! Amandelen (talk) 20:13, October 19, 2019 (UTC)


 * The app doesn't seem to work either orz. Amandelen (talk) 20:19, October 19, 2019 (UTC)

Guess we have to wait for Mio to come back, hopefully she feels better, and we can ask her to link us to like a google docs copy or so. (Is there not a way to look at the source code of a site directly? IDK anything about HTML/programming stuff)~Raine


 * I think that's probably the best option unfortunately, or we need to find someone else who can see the lyrics. I tried looking at the code of the site but all I see is that the read more hyperlink links back to the post, I can't see past it. Amandelen (talk) 21:00, October 19, 2019 (UTC)