Board Thread:News and Announcements/@comment-14908162-20191016083021

Hello everyone,

As some of you may know TheBlackCero (Hazuki no Yume's partner) recently deleted their account after Kaja, the producer of Unclosed Human, asked them to take their reprint down. In their goodbye video they asked people to refrain from reuploading their works, and asked to refrain from putting their translations on wikis as they were "tainted by their ill intentions". A few days later Hazuki no Yume updated her blog stating that removal of past usage of her translations "would be greatly appreciated". We have been discussing what to do for a while, and cannot figure out what to do (partly due to my indecisiveness). True to form, I decided to just make a poll so you can vote. I hope to be able to find a solution most people are happy with in that way. Right now there are two proposed solutions:
 * a. Take down the translations, as Hazuki no Yume asked, and replace the ones that have alternative translations.
 * b. Replace translations if there are alternative ones, but don't remove them if there aren't.

There are several arguments for both solutions. I'll post a short overview here, but a more in-depth discussion can be found here.

Don't remove the translations:
 * HnY is not insisting on removing the translations, she just said she'd prefer it.
 * It's possible she only wants the translations removed out of spite, in which case she might regret what she's saying later. This would mean we'd have put in a lot of work for nothing (see here).
 * Removing the translations will upset the community
 * She previously gave explicit permission for us to host her material, so it's unfair to change her mind on us now

Remove the translations:
 * The translator explicitly said that she'd appreciate it if her translations are removed
 * Even if it's spite, it's not our place to decide whether she actually meant it or not, or to speculate whether she'll change her mind later on.
 * The translations will never be completely wiped from existence
 * It's not a good look when people click on links to HnY's blog and see she wants her translations removed.

Now on to the polls:

What do you think is the best solution? Remove the translations, and replace them where possible Don't remove the translation, only replace them where possible

I think it's fair to say that if we decide to not remove the translations, we'll revert the edits that were made to remove her translations, but just to be sure:

In case we decide not to remove her translations, will we revert the edits? Yes No

Lastly, as to future-proof, I want to decide what to do in case HnY comes back and either removes her translations herself, or explicitly states she wants instances of her translations removed (so "I want reprints from my translations to be removed" instead of "removal would be appreciated"). I ask because I think we'll be in the same predicament as now if that were to happen.

Should we remove the translations in the situation described above? Yes No

That concludes the polls. I've tried to present both opinions as fairly as possible, but if you feel I didn't please comment below so I can correct this post. Also feel free to comment below with more discussion. Thank you for reading this message!

Amandelen (talk) 08:30, October 16, 2019 (UTC) 