User talk:Damesukekun/Archive2018

Regarding Your Message
Ironically, in English, people often tell me that I speak in an overly formal manner, sounding even posh or elderly, I then chose to speak less formally in Japanese to avoid this impression. If I'd over-done it to the extent that I came across as childish or rude, I apologise, that was far from my intention. Aside from that, I am actually learning Japanese, still, using various sources online, & have practised speaking to Japanese people, though mostly in a more casual manner. As for translating the other way round, does what I've submitted still have mistranslations of another sort? Thank you.

Oh, also, I did submit a translation for 'Baby, Baby, It's You', for reference

Keila Momoshuya (talk) 17:00, January 14, 2018 (UTC)

Boys School Parade
Would you be able to help me with verse 5 in ボーイズスクールパレード? I believe I've got the other verses right, I'm confused with verse 5. What is a chalk/choke band, why does a tummy make that sound, and why would a heart want to find a girl!? Any ideas? よろしくお願いします！ ElectricRaichu (talk) 05:35, February 26, 2018 (UTC)

Sorry to bug you but I was wondering if you had a chance to think about this? ElectricRaichu (talk) 02:10, March 12, 2018 (UTC)
 * The phrases are ungrammatical and weird. I have no idea what チョークの鼓笛隊 means either, but probably it's chalk band. Other than that I think your interpretation is okay. Damesukekun (talk) 04:30, March 12, 2018 (UTC)

OK, thanks for checking it out for me. Maybe it's recent schoolboy slang? I'll translate it "chalk band" until some comes up with something more definite. ElectricRaichu (talk) 07:45, March 12, 2018 (UTC)
 * I made some research but there was no result :( Damesukekun (talk)

FYI I asked Kid about it and he checked with Zankyou-P. His reply was: 黒板をチョークで文字を書くと「コンコン」と音が鳴る. その音が鼓笛隊みたいな感じに聞こえて、あぁ、お腹が空いたなぁと感じるという残鏡P独特の感性らしいです. He added that translating it "chalk band" is OK. This also explains that the tummy noise is a hunger growl. ElectricRaichu (talk) 05:32, March 28, 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the inquiry. That makes sense. Damesukekun (talk) 13:33, March 28, 2018 (UTC)

Proofing
Hello, damesukekun! Sorry to bother you when you must be pretty busy around now, but I translated Heart no Atoaji  and Hyoujou Galactica and was wondering if you could proofread them for me?

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oSXDsWX_24HaxL42300TNYtMlSYB1BEyNuii9CNpmeE/edit?usp=sharing https://docs.google.com/document/d/100vLiyDCVdtOryitojw8fbH573N7yEj_gPtmOgbDQZc/edit?usp=sharing

Thanks in advance.

Tamumumu (talk) 19:00, March 28, 2018 (UTC)

Nonfantasy
I translated Nonfantasy and I'm confident of most of it, but I'm not sure I've got the nuance right on some of the lines. Because it's quite popular (several million views if you include covers), I was wondering if you could check it for me. ElectricRaichu (talk) 01:54, April 2, 2018 (UTC)
 * You did a good job. I tweaked a few phrases.
 * 意識する in love stories means "be aware that one has a crush on someone" with, in most cases, shyness. There is no corresponding expression in English but it's roughly translated as "Feel shy with him/her" or something like that. Damesukekun (talk) 02:30, April 2, 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, that was quick! Yes 意識 was one of the bits I was unsure of. ElectricRaichu (talk) 03:41, April 2, 2018 (UTC)

星の唄
Hi, me again. I was looking at 星の唄 and I'm having trouble understanding 想うほどいびつに見えた near the end of the song. The given translation, "I can see you as if you were an elliptical thought," doesn't make sense to me in English and is probably incorrect, but I can't figure out what the Japanese is getting at. "You looked as warped/elliptical as you/I like/feel"? Do you have any ideas? ElectricRaichu (talk) 05:36, April 25, 2018 (UTC)
 * 想うほど is a shortened form of 想えば想うほど "the more I think of it, the more". The phrase is "The more I think of it, the more it looks distorted" or "My feelings/admiration/adoration for it makes my sight all the more distorted/unclear". The term 想う puts stress on the speaker's feelings more than 思う. Damesukekun (talk) 05:27, April 26, 2018 (UTC)

I see. Thanks for the explanation, it makes sense now. If you don't mind, could you also help me with the lines 信じたいんだ 信じられないんだ / いっそ全て壊してしまえたら? It sounds like it's saying "I want to believe, but I can't, that it would be better if you could wipe everything out". I'm assuming there's an implied いい to complete the sentence. ElectricRaichu (talk) 06:49, April 26, 2018 (UTC)
 * You are right, but the problem with this sentence is that the omitted subject is unclear. The omitted subject is I, but the omitted object is neither you nor me, for the context suggests the whole paragraph makes a sentence cluster with the preceding and following paragraphs. I reviewed Dmnngn's translation and removed it. Damesukekun (talk) 23:24, April 26, 2018 (UTC)

I think it's saying that from afar the earth looks beautiful, but close up it's full of conflict. However, I'm not sure if the nuance is that it would therefore be better just to destroy it, or whether it's sounding a warning, "do you guys really think it's better if you could destroy the world?"

Yes I was wanting to replace the previous translation since it had a few mistakes. I've entered the translation I've been working on. I think it's mostly OK, just いっそ全て壊してしまえたら I'm unsure of so I WIPped it. ElectricRaichu (talk) 00:34, April 27, 2018 (UTC)


 * I reviewed the translation and made some modifications. I added my name as a co-translator this time. Damesukekun (talk) 15:20, April 27, 2018 (UTC)

Thanks so much for your help! ElectricRaichu (talk) 00:02, April 28, 2018 (UTC)

Translators Lists
私もそう思いました. 過去の考え方は幼くて、翻訳者の責任を知らなかったんです. プロデューサーの許可を問わずに勝手に好きな曲をYoutubeに再投稿して、本当に恥ずかしいですよ. 現在のアカウントを消して、新しいアカウントを開いたらいいと思います. それで、翻訳したい曲があったら、ちゃんとプロデューサーに許可を聞いて、許可されたらビデオをアップロードします. ５年前の私は、現在の私を比べたら、無知で、プロデューサーのことを尊重しなかっただけじゃなくて、ボカロイドファンについ勘違い翻訳を普及されてしまいました. 過去の扱い方が全くふさわしくなかったから、ゼロからもう一回始まりたいです. damesukekunの記事を読んだ後、やっと目を覚められました. 私にとって、曲を翻訳することが趣味で、うっかりにしたことでした. だけど、こんな考え方は違う. damesukekunのおかげで、翻訳者の実際の責任を受け止められるようになって感謝しています. 将来、翻訳の問題が起こったら、ぜひdamesukekunに相談します. 本当の翻訳者になれるようにこれからも頑張ります.

優しい返事されてありがとうございます.

Vaffisuco (talk) 21:44, May 8, 2018 (UTC)Vaffisuco

EZFG Too Shy Shy Boy Tentative English Translation
こんにちは、damesukekunさん. 前のご返事ありがとうございます. これから古いボカロイドの翻訳をやり直して、分からない部分が現れたら、damesukekunさんに聞くことが決まっています. 迷惑をかけてどうも失礼いたします.

では、始めさせていただきます.

「夏の扉はまだノックしないでね. No no knock on wood!」というセリフがちょっと分かりにくくて、つい誤解したかもしれません. 現在の英語翻訳は "Please don't knock on the Summer door yet. No, knock on wood!" インターネットで「夏の扉」を検索しましたが、色々な結果を見つけて、意味がまだ分かりません. もしかして、例えだと思ったけど、やっぱり示されている情報がなさそうです. 抽象的な意味があるかどうか分かりません. 一方で、私がただの考え過ぎで、意味が明らかです（笑）

それに、「午前の０時電話のベルの音、未来「あした」を届けてくれる声」というセリフも、どうやって英語に翻訳すればいいことも悩んでいます. すなわち、分かっているところが「１２時に電話がかかって、誰かと（歌い手の恋に落ちた人？それとも、親友？）必要なことを伝えてくれた」ということです. 午前の０時が 'Witching Hour' に関しているかな？サブテキストがあるなら、理解できません. このところは英語に "At midnight, the phone rings, and a voice(somebody) tells me of the future/tomorrow".

二つ述べた以外、歌詞が英語に翻訳できましたが、間違いがないわけじゃありません.

よろしくお願い致します.

Vaffisuco (talk) 22:35, May 8, 2018 (UTC)Vaffisuco

The lyrics are incoherent and ungrammatical, and Tetsuya made many English mistakes. Even native Japanese speakers can't get the point, but here are some tips. さほど思い出もないままに　夏の扉はまだノックしないでね > Don't knock the summer door without memories (just the two of us). This phrase suggests that the girl wants her boyfrind to take her to the coming summer season with happy memories of them. 午前0時電話のベルの音　未来を届けてくれる声 > The phone rings at midnight / Your voices (over the phone) bring me the coming/next day. The literal translation is "Sounds of phone ringtone at midnight / (There are) voices that brings (me) tomorrow", but you can change sentence structures and make the sentence more readable. This sentence, however, sounds weird to native Japanese speakers too. Damesukekun (talk) 02:00, May 12, 2018 (UTC)
 * Do you mean the song originally made by Komuro Tetsuya, sung by Mizuki Arisa?


 * Yeah, there were some other really hard to understand areas as well. For example, [Good Times! Bad Times! すべてから　永遠に　永遠に　連れ去って] I cannot understand at all. Since 連れ去る is transitive, and the object and subject isn't stated, it makes me think along the lines of [彼女が恋に落ちた彼を誘拐しました」which is probably wrong. Another odd part is 見えない時間（とき）が教えてくれる. 声にならなくて. 現在の通訳は 'Could you tell me about the unseen (witching hour??) time/hour? Even if you cannot put it into words.' 見えない時間の部分は何よりも一番ややこしいところと思います. ですか、damesukekunのおかげで、前よりこの曲が理解できるようになって、どうもうありがとうございます. ちなみに、古い翻訳した歌詞が自分のブロッグに投稿しました. よかったら、見直していただけませんか. たまに、日本語の意味が分かりますが、同じ感想や感情がうまく英語で伝えません. 全部のニュアンスや掛詞が英語に翻訳したいけれど、やっぱり英語と日本語の違いが多すぎて、あまり仕方がないと思います.


 * 迷惑をかけてすみませんでした.


 * Vaffisuco (talk) 02:31, May 12, 2018 (UTC)Vaffisuco

Can you tell me the URL for your blog? Damesukekun (talk) 11:30, May 12, 2018 (UTC)

Blog Link is Through this Wikia, URL is: [//vocaloidlyrics.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Vaffisuco http://vocaloidlyrics.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Vaffisuco]

このサイトの外ブロッグがありません. これから、このサイトに英語の翻訳を投稿します. いつでも誰でもみなおしていいです.

Vaffisuco (talk) 03:21, May 13, 2018 (UTC)Vaffisuco

Trains between Sapporo and Tokyo?
I just reviewed an anonymously contributed translation to トワイライト急行 which was actually pretty good. Only thing is, in the first verse, 上り行き usually refers to a Tokyo-bound train, doesn't it? Now the scene is set in Sapporo and the song was released in early 2015. Were there trains between Sapporo and Tokyo at that time? ElectricRaichu (talk) 01:13, May 30, 2018 (UTC)
 * Actually トワイライト急行 doesn't exist. The author said the title was from トワイライトエクスプレス, operated between Sapporo and Osaka (not Tokyo). The service ended on Mar. 12, 2015. The 上り train's terminal station was Osaka and 下り Sapporo, but I think "the train leaving Sapporo" is better for 上り becase this term focus on the departure more than the destination. Damesukekun (talk) 07:13, May 30, 2018 (UTC)

サマ×バケ
I've been struggling with a few lines of サマ×バケ for a couple of weeks now so I thought maybe it's time to ask for help, if you don't mind helping me out. There are two lines I've marked, "急すぎるくらいな" and "アイスで誤魔化している" that I'm not sure of the intended sense.

Also in the video at 1:46, the phrase "財布知らない" appears in a text message. Do you get what that's trying to say?

Yoroshiku onegai itashimasu! ElectricRaichu (talk) 07:23, July 5, 2018 (UTC)
 * The first and second phrases are ungrammatical and weird. I have no idea what they mean either, but probably your interpretations are right.
 * 財布知らない is most likely "Don't you know where my purse is?" Damesukekun (talk) 11:47, July 7, 2018 (UTC)

OK thanks. I'll leave the translation as it is then. ElectricRaichu (talk) 01:21, July 8, 2018 (UTC)

神様からのアンケート official translation
I had a close look at the official translation for 神様からのアンケート and it seems good enough to me. Do you know why it might have been regarded as having insufficient quality? Would you be able to have a look and see what you think? ElectricRaichu (talk) 04:17, August 20, 2018 (UTC)
 * You can approve her translation. I sent a message to her but she was reluctant to disclose her identity and told me not to add her name to the translators lists on Vocaloid Wiki. She is a fluent Japanese speaker but occasionally makes slight grammatical errors. I suppose she is Japanese-Chinese-Canadian and a trilingual person. Damesukekun (talk) 07:26, August 22, 2018 (UTC)

For my bann
Excuse me for coming here, or if i sound mean, but i have to complain and i want you to listen to me and not just block me like you did a few hours (or minutes ago). First of all, the reason, "Copyright violation, image spamming" i got all images from official FREE sources anyone could see them and download them with out much of a problem, i even linked back to the illustartors. If it's for the licencing i didn't know i had to do it and no one told me how to do it but i tried, as for the image spamming i forget and i'm not the best editor out there. Second of all, I GOT NO WARNING FOR THIS!!! I just wanted to add a link to a tweet post that had the differences between the two song lists and i found out i was blocked for practicaly no real reason. Third of all, 'WHY DID I GET BANNED FOR AN INFINATE AMOUNT OF TIME FOR SOMETHING NO ONE COMPLAINED OR WARNED ME FOR? Also "You can contact Damesukekun or another administrator to discuss the block. Please include all details in the above box in any queries you make." is useless when i can't leave a message on your talk page!'

The info of the box:

The block was made by Damesukekun. Ai
 * Reason given: Copyright violation, image spamming
 * Start of block: 13:01, September 1, 2018
 * Expiry of block: infinite
 * Intended blockee:
 * Block ID: #957
 * Current IP address: 91.140.88.118
 * My apologies. You are lifted and all images are restored now.

Damesukekun (talk) 14:03, September 1, 2018 (UTC)

Thank you but if you have any complain with my editing please talk to me about it, i'm really not used to editing and i'm extremly sorry for spamming but i try to put as much as i can to one edit but forget. Ai

Need help with some translations
Hi, there are a few songs that I understand except for one line and I was wondering if you could help with any of them. ElectricRaichu (talk) 01:00, September 14, 2018 (UTC) Damesukekun (talk) 12:52, September 16, 2018 (UTC)
 * 1) おてんば姫の歌♪ The second last verse says 生まれながら 背負ってしまった / 何もかもと 手をつなぎ旅に出る. Does this say she is leaving while holding onto what she has had to bear since birth? I'm not sure how that makes sense. I would have thought that she wants to leave all that behind.
 * 2) 恋する金魚 Verse 6 says Do you know what 息がかかる means?
 * 3) 星と少年-Theme- 教えて欲しい 君の言葉で / 独りじゃないとこの胸に occurs twice. I'm not familiar with the background story to the song, so the subject of 独り is unclear, i.e., "Tell me I'm not alone--you're far away but still thinking of me," or "Tell me you're not alone--you have friends out there". Is it possible to resolve the ambiguity?
 * 4) PS Another question if you don't mind ... 下剋上(完) (already translated by someone else) has the line ちょっとイメージ違うんでない. Does that mean "that image is wrong, isn't it" (i.e. referring the shota image), or "that image is not wrong" (i.e. referring to the otoko image), or is it open to interpretation?
 * 1) You are right. The context sounds incoherent, but I think the author put the rhyming first.
 * 2) The usage of かかる in this case is similar to that of 水がかかる "the water splashes (against me) > I get splashed" so 息がかかる means "(your) breath breezes (toward me) > I feel your breath".
 * 3) It's "I'm" not alone. The boy's friend leaves the boy but he doesn't feel alone when the friend is not with him physically.
 * 4) "That image is wrong, isn't it" is correct. This is a case of negative question indicating positive polite/modest suggestions. For example, 一緒に行きませんか is "would you go with me?", not "wouldn't you go with me?". I added this to the translation tutorial on Vocaloid Wiki with comments.

Thanks for your help ... just a couple more questions whenever you have time ... ElectricRaichu (talk) 22:39, September 16, 2018 (UTC) The story is written from the woman's viewpoint. The narrator and "I" are the same person, i.e. her, and "you" are the man. I don't know the background of this song - perhaps the man goes to war - but the most important clue is the viewpoint fusion of narrator and main charactor, and this is a frequent case in Japanese literature. One famous example is 国境の長いトンネルを抜けると雪国であった in Yukiguni by Kawabata Yasunari. Positive polite asks, suggests and clarifications in negative interrogative sentences appear everywhere in Japanese, including song lyrics. I'm not sure why he gave you that wrong answer. Damesukekun (talk) 05:47, September 17, 2018 (UTC)
 * 1) Ha ha ok!
 * 2) Thanks, makes sense now!
 * 3) Sorry I didn't understand your answer. Do you think the narrator is not alone, or the far off "kimi"? (Sorry, since both interpretations could be worded with "I'm" in English (i.e., direct vs indirect speech), I found your answer ambiguous ...) Since both interpretations make sense given the limited information in the lyrics, is there a way to tell the difference anyway without knowing the full story?
 * 4) Thanks. I didn't want to influence your answer by raising this before, but the reason I asked was that I was speaking with a Japanese workmate about another song a few years ago and he seemed to think that using negatives in song lyrics always really meant negative. According to him, using negatives to politely ask/suggest/clarify wasn't used in song lyrics. So he was mistaken then?
 * I'm sorry, I didn't watch the video. I only read the lyrics.

OMG yes when I read "国境の長いトンネルを抜けると雪国であった" I imagined myself in the train, but when I read the English translation "The train came out of the long tunnel into the snow country" the image is totally different. Actually, I think it's not a good translation. You wouldn't start a passage talking about a train if you wanted the reader to identify with someone inside the train. Still, it's yet one more thing to take into account when translating ...

Back to the song, I'm not finding it helps me. 教えて欲しい 君の言葉で 独りじゃないとこの胸に means the narrator (the woman) desires the boy to tell her "独りじゃない" from his own lips. Even focusing on the woman's point of view and her feelings, I still find it completely ambiguous: (a) "I care about you, tell me you're not lonely" or (b) "Tell me you're with me in spirit so I don't feel alone here." The boy seems content in his travels while the woman is disclosing her feelings, so perhaps it is about her loneliness. Taking the situation very literally, however, the woman is actually alone whatever the boy says, so it maybe she wants to know that the one she cares about is not alone.

Anyway, if you have a definite opinion, feel free to change it or let me know here and I'll change it if necessary. ElectricRaichu (talk) 09:22, September 17, 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh, now I fully understand your question. The interpretation (b) is correct. This is very Japanese (and probably East Asian) way of thinking. Even if two people are separated physically, they feel as if they were connected each other mentally or spiritually. In Mahayana Bhuddism teaching, every living thing in "great mother nature - the cradle of all lives" is linked one another. This is often described in a metaphor of sea and a cup of seawater. Sea is the great nature, and an individual existence is a cup of seawater drawn from the sea. If an individual perishes, the cup of seawater returns to the sea. He/She is nowhere, but he/she is somewhere in the sea. He/She will soon get another chance to be a cup of seawater again - transmigration of soul. So each life has the same origin and shares the most primal soul or spirit of the sea, great nature. I strongly sense this belief behind the song. Of course this is just my personal interpretation. Damesukekun (talk) 13:50, September 17, 2018 (UTC)

Re: RandomAir Translations
Hello,

I've posted a reply on my talk page. Since you also asked ElectricRaichu for his opinion I thought I'd be better to keep the discussion in one place. Amandelen (talk) 20:15, October 25, 2018 (UTC)

Mister Darling
A had a go at translating Mister Darling, but there are a couple of lines I'm unsure of, "全部なんて見せてちゃ続かない" and "もっと教えてこないだの続き". Would you be able to have a look and see what you think? ElectricRaichu (talk) 02:45, November 12, 2018 (UTC)

全部なんて見せてちゃ続かない - But I'm not in a position to show you everything (Why? Because she'd put their relationship at risk. I wouldn't put that in the translation though.)

もっと教えてこないだの続き - (so) Please continue to show me more of (What you do). It continues the previous verse, "合わない趣味ばかり / Our hobbies are not exactly the same". Makes sense to me.

I just did this to help. You chose verses that were pretty confusing in wording, so there may be probability that I'm wrong.

RandomAir BGM (talk) 03:51, November 12, 2018 (UTC) "If I show (you) everything, (no subject) won't continue." and "Tell (me) the following (story) of that day." so your (ElectricRaichu's) interpretations are right. Damesukekun (talk)
 * The word-to-word translations are

ボクらムーブメント
Hi, me again. Would you be able to give me your opinion on a couple of lines in ボクらムーブメント? The first is "トビッキリを届けよう". My guess is that it's implying something like トビキリの気持ち. The other line is "街中に響けばネオンは輝く". I'm unsure what the subject of ひびく is meant to be. Any help or suggestions would be appreciated! ElectricRaichu (talk) 00:29, November 30, 2018 (UTC)
 * トビッキリを届けよう: Your interpretation is right, but I kinda prefer "I'll send you my cheers/happiness".


 * 街中に響けばネオンは輝く: The subject is 元気, but this phrase is ungrammatical. I think your translation is okay. Damesukekun (talk) 12:50, December 3, 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the help. I changed them to say "I'll send you some happiness" (sounds more natural to me) and "If my cheer echoes ..." (otherwise I think the English is too vague). Feel free to amend if you think necessary. ElectricRaichu (talk) 00:11, December 4, 2018 (UTC)

KSGR地獄の刑
Hello,

I'm aware that this page has had a few translations put on it and removed, but could you please check if the English captions on the YouTube page are correct?

Also, if it is correct, I'm not quite sure how to credit them (since three people are credited in the description) or if we can even add translations from YouTube closed captions.

Thank you for your time ^^ Hitomi45 (talk) 20:08, December 9, 2018 (UTC)
 * It's Monstrts' translation, neutral translator. Damesukekun (talk) 12:15, December 10, 2018 (UTC)

Re: Abuse Report
Don't worry, you're not bothering me. I've blocked the user, as they seemed to be a troll (judging by some of the other comments they made which I removed). Amandelen (talk) 09:43, December 27, 2018 (UTC)


 * Hey it's me again. I've deleted a whole string of messages from that person + me and RandomAir because they're clearly trolling and I hope this'll prevent anything from fuelling the fire. It seems that the best way to handle this will probably be to just remove their messages and block their sockpuppet accounts, so I'll be sure to keep an eye out for them. I hope you have a nice day =). Amandelen (talk) 18:23, December 27, 2018 (UTC)

Marshmallow song
I translated ましゅまろたべた but because of all the unusual words would it be possible if you could review it for me? It's very simple, just unfamiliar vocabulary. I assumed むにむに follows this explanation since I couldn't find it anywhere else. ElectricRaichu (talk) 00:27, December 28, 2018 (UTC)
 * I think your translation is good. It's difficult to convey the full meaning of むにむに in English but the Pixivpedia article explains well. In addition むにむに often suggests the object is soft and smooth, pleasant to the touch. If you want to clarify the term better, "soft and spuishy" may work. Damesukekun (talk) 10:20, December 28, 2018 (UTC)